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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Tik Tok Doctor performed breast removal on 13 year old

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ScreamingMeMe · 17/12/2021 14:19

I have no words.

4w.pub/tiktok-gender-doctor-per-breast-removal-on-13-year-old-girl/

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Sasketchewoo · 21/12/2021 20:36

This is devastating. At least this is all being documented online. She is so proud of sharing all these mutilations, too - those poor kids. The worst thing is the sheer number she must be operating on, it's like a production line. It's changed from being a few unhappy individuals to what, thousands going through this per year? I hope very few of them ever actually wake up and realise what they've done to themselves, for their sakes. I would have loved to have had my breasts cut off at the age of 15-19 - in my case I had body dysmorphia because of abuse rather than gender dysphoria. I'm still not 100% comfortable with my body but I'm a world away from where I was and no way would I have that surgery at this age even with the last remaining discomfort I carry around, hard as it is some days. The reality of a mastectomy is that it a fundamentally abnormal way to look (I hope if you've had one for cancer, you know what I mean - you can still look beautiful after one but it should only be carried out when it's absolutely medically necessary/life saving)

ScrollingLeaves · 21/12/2021 21:12

I think what you have been talking about in these last posts is extremely important. The link between autism in girls and their feelings of gender dysphoria is mentioned fairly often, but not so much the evident links between an unstable gender identity and past traumas to the extant you are noting among looked after children.

If the numbers presenting as trans gender among these looked after children is higher than in the normal population, and so it is clearly their past trauma and attachment issues driving their feelings of unease about their gender

  • not some inborn sense of gender this greater number presented with by coincidence - then it might begin to show the world at large that it is psychological help and support to be themselves, not ‘affirmation’ of their trans identity, that all gender questioning children need.
FrancescaContini · 22/12/2021 06:36

@MiniTheMinx

Your last post is really insightful and informative - thank you. I will have a good look for the post I referred to above re statistics sometime today as it’s bothering me now!

EishetChayil · 22/12/2021 08:15

@ScrollingLeaves

I think what you have been talking about in these last posts is extremely important. The link between autism in girls and their feelings of gender dysphoria is mentioned fairly often, but not so much the evident links between an unstable gender identity and past traumas to the extant you are noting among looked after children.

If the numbers presenting as trans gender among these looked after children is higher than in the normal population, and so it is clearly their past trauma and attachment issues driving their feelings of unease about their gender

  • not some inborn sense of gender this greater number presented with by coincidence - then it might begin to show the world at large that it is psychological help and support to be themselves, not ‘affirmation’ of their trans identity, that all gender questioning children need.

The trouble is, this research will never be done, because anyone who tries is hounded out of their institution and denied funding.

TheWeeDonkey · 22/12/2021 08:23

True look at Lisa Littman and James Caspian. Both did studies about ROGD and detransition which are still widely derided despite the growing evidence that there is much to gain from their work.

Its the same thing again though. The people trying to protect children and young people are seen as the enemy while the people who happily cause grave harm are seen as their great saviours.

FrancescaContini · 22/12/2021 08:28

@KittenKong

No - get them to the point when they accept their body and work on their self worth and happiness.
Sorry - I was quoting from the post above and should have used quote marks: “Just buy them a breast binder”.
FrancescaContini · 22/12/2021 08:31

@TheWeeDonkey

True look at Lisa Littman and James Caspian. Both did studies about ROGD and detransition which are still widely derided despite the growing evidence that there is much to gain from their work.

Its the same thing again though. The people trying to protect children and young people are seen as the enemy while the people who happily cause grave harm are seen as their great saviours.

Surely, SURELY, this has to be exposed in a more mainstream way now?

Are there any journos from the broadsheets reading this? The Times?? Have you SEEN the photos of the teenagers with bloodied wounds where they once had breasts? Please, please can you start writing about this, bringing it to the attention of a wider audience??

KittenKong · 22/12/2021 09:02

Oh I see! I was wondering!

FannyCann · 22/12/2021 10:22

@MiniTheMinx
Really interesting posts.

I'm sorry, I've looked and I can't find the article I was thinking of.
I don't think there was any suggestion that the children were in care because they were trans. Rather that, with their complex needs, the affirmative model was heaping more harm on them and they had no protections in relation to this.

Canada is complex and I don't pretend to have any knowledge in the area but a very high percentage of children in care are from an indigenous background and there are particular issues around that. I believe some people suggest this is another way the state is sterilising indigenous youth but clearly there are complex historical issues around the treatment of indigenous peoples generally.

www.sac-isc.gc.ca/eng/1541187352297/1541187392851

Tik Tok Doctor performed breast removal on 13 year old
nauticant · 22/12/2021 12:52

@MiniTheMinx, you mentioned about working with LAC.

Here's an eloquent account of such a child who went through the Finnish system and decided that they needed to transition to "become a man":

It's on Benjamin Boyce's channel and like many people I do have my reservations about him. However, Veera is the point of the video and she's really worth listening to, especially in terms of what fed into the different decisions that she made.

Abhannmor · 23/12/2021 09:11

Yes 100% Mini. There is something quite unnatural and almost deranged about the way she trivialises the whole issue. Her exultant , almost gloating demeanour enrages me. It is a kindness to suggest she has mental health issues imo.....

KittenKong · 23/12/2021 09:47

It’s like sweeties at the supermarket till - kids-eye level, all exciting wrappers and fun cartoon characters. It doesn’t say ‘this is full of sugar and heaven knows what, and will make you fat, spotty and toothless, and probably contribute to early onset diabetes’.

FannyCann · 27/12/2021 17:19

@MiniTheMinx @Delphinium20

This was the source I was thinking of.

gendercriticalwoman.wordpress.com/2021/09/07/foster-care-final/

SantaClawsServiette · 27/12/2021 17:51

@FannyCann

I think it has been noted that there is a high proportion of children in the care system who transition in Canada. Will have to look for the source.
Yes, this is true. I think I've read it in some mainstream media sources but it's also what I've observed.

I have some family that are foster carers and they have noticed it too. It's tricky for them though, for one thing it's just not an area they are very knowledgeable about, and so they rely on the guidance from the care system. A lot of the kids they have had are also diagnosed with things like BPD and attachment disorders.

And it's not dissimilar with the social workers, there is an expectation around best practices and they are expected to toe the line. If they want to keep working they have to tread carefully. There is really very little autonomy. If they tick the right boxes and things go wrong they are covered, if they don't and things go wrong, they are screwed.

In some ways social workers are in a worse position than medical doctors, they aren't a high paid group, they can't necessarily afford to lose their jobs, they can't just change their area of practice.

SportsMother · 27/12/2021 18:55

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Leafstamp · 27/12/2021 19:31

Has this been posted already?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10344445/amp/Children-brainwashed-TikTok-videos-cool-trans-surgery.html

From the article:

TikTok signed a partnership earlier this year with Stonewall, the controversial lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights charity, to promote this material.

One popular transgender TikTok influencer, Bella Fitzpatrick, raised £20,000 from followers in less than three months to fund private gender-reassignment surgery.

FrancescaContini · 27/12/2021 20:36

@SportsMother

This article is an interview with the doctor performing mastectomies on 13 year olds.

You certainly get an I aight I to how lucrative the work is.

So many euphemisms in the article:

Gender affirmation surgery
Gender confirmation surgery
Chest masculinisation (= double mastectomy)

It made me 😡

ArabellaScott · 27/12/2021 21:35

' ...I can have a beautiful, spacious apartment right in the centre of things downtown. It also allows me to have hobbies such as flying a plane and kite-surfing which I’m not sure I’d be able to do back home... On the winter weekends I usually take the two hour flight down to Miami where I can go to the beach year-round. I had an apartment there until recently. Summer weekends, I will often spend in New York or Chicago.'

KittenKong · 27/12/2021 21:42

Until the law catches up with her.

SportsMother · 27/12/2021 21:52

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KittenKong · 27/12/2021 21:53

I’m thinking king a Ghislane Maxwell scenario…

FrancescaContini · 27/12/2021 21:58

@ArabellaScott

' ...I can have a beautiful, spacious apartment right in the centre of things downtown. It also allows me to have hobbies such as flying a plane and kite-surfing which I’m not sure I’d be able to do back home... On the winter weekends I usually take the two hour flight down to Miami where I can go to the beach year-round. I had an apartment there until recently. Summer weekends, I will often spend in New York or Chicago.'
What a charmed existence…thanks to cutting barely grown, healthy body parts off young children. 🤬🤬
Quornflakegirl · 27/12/2021 22:00

I didn’t grow up in the UK. My mother had 4 dc and needed my fathers signed permission to be sterilised after having 4 children and she was 36 years old! This wasn’t even that long ago!

This is disgusting and makes me feel sick. How does ownership of our bodies go from one extreme to the next?

Delphinium20 · 04/01/2022 17:11

[quote FannyCann]**@MiniTheMinx* @Delphinium20*

This was the source I was thinking of.

gendercriticalwoman.wordpress.com/2021/09/07/foster-care-final/

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Thanks @FannyCann ! I've been off social for the holidays. Appreciate this resource.

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