Tik Tok Doctor performed breast removal on 13 year old

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I have no words.

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@EishetChayil

This is so upsetting.

Teet yeet?

She ought to be struck off.

This is really disturbing. The doctor sounds unhinged, creepy, perverted and obviously has their own mental issues. What exactly other than money and notoriety is this individual getting from this......how can it be legal to facilitate surgery as another form of self harm to mentally unwell children.

So - if this child is 13 - they will be spending their time with adults (doctors, surgeons, psychiatrists etc) invested in their ongoing care. I suspect online they will be speaking to / playing with adults (and you know online there seem to be some pretty twisted people to seem to enjoy manipulating others and seeing them hurt). This photo shows self-harm scars (I’m pretty sure they are).

This life is not a child’s life. Why do children self harm - trauma, abuse, mental issues? Are these not being addressed?

KittenKong
they will be spending their time with adults (doctors, surgeons, psychiatrists etc) invested in their ongoing care

This is the USA where Doctors were warned about the danger of being sued due to exposing patients to a cancer risk from nuclear radiation from unnecessary X-rays which were being upsold as a chargeable service rather than used as a diagnostic tool.

@KittenKong

So - if this child is 13 - they will be spending their time with adults (doctors, surgeons, psychiatrists etc) invested in their ongoing care. I suspect online they will be speaking to / playing with adults (and you know online there seem to be some pretty twisted people to seem to enjoy manipulating others and seeing them hurt). This photo shows self-harm scars (I’m pretty sure they are).

This life is not a child’s life. Why do children self harm - trauma, abuse, mental issues? Are these not being addressed?

All these adults - “educated”, trained, qualified - enabling and perpetuating the (self) abuse.

And the parents in the photos, standing smiling and proud next to the children bearing wounds where they once had breasts. You’d think by their expressions of joy their child had just won a really prestigious prize. But they’ve offered up their child to be mutilated. It’s profoundly disturbing.

I will be happy when the current generation of kids wake up and realise what has been done to them and form groups to take on a mass case for (at the very least) criminal assault, and this 'doctor', and all other professionals taking money from this are held to account. It's an absolute disgrace.

KittenKong, I'm working with LAC in a therapeutic role, we are seeing more and more children with gender dysphoria. To start with I thought this was due to gender dysphoria becoming more prevalent overall within children. But I'm fairly certain now that it's more prevalent in LAC and its at least in part due to early life experiences and trauma.

One such child is very obviously struggling due to lack of primary attachment to the mother in early childhood. Its blindingly obvious. And yes, a prolific self harmer who is finding more sophisticated ways to harm themselves, and drawing others into this, ie events requiring surgery, piercings, wearing binders that must be purchased, ear stretching. Its no longer OK to be a lesbian so every message the child has received is a conservative message that says to square the circle you must be a boy. Of course its very easy for such a child to find adults who have been hoodwinked into fashionable gender ideologies and worse, adults who are actively pushing this agenda, which in itself is yet more abuse. I have colleagues who are nervously encouraging these children because they are too afraid to speak up, or fail to fully understand what is happening and want to be seen as liberal and working within this new 'liberal ethic' I have to filter everything I say, when I just want to scream 'you are a girl, it's a fact, get used to it' and throw some feminist literature at them.

@MiniTheMinx

KittenKong, I'm working with LAC in a therapeutic role, we are seeing more and more children with gender dysphoria. To start with I thought this was due to gender dysphoria becoming more prevalent overall within children. But I'm fairly certain now that it's more prevalent in LAC and its at least in part due to early life experiences and trauma.

One such child is very obviously struggling due to lack of primary attachment to the mother in early childhood. Its blindingly obvious. And yes, a prolific self harmer who is finding more sophisticated ways to harm themselves, and drawing others into this, ie events requiring surgery, piercings, wearing binders that must be purchased, ear stretching. Its no longer OK to be a lesbian so every message the child has received is a conservative message that says to square the circle you must be a boy. Of course its very easy for such a child to find adults who have been hoodwinked into fashionable gender ideologies and worse, adults who are actively pushing this agenda, which in itself is yet more abuse. I have colleagues who are nervously encouraging these children because they are too afraid to speak up, or fail to fully understand what is happening and want to be seen as liberal and working within this new 'liberal ethic' I have to filter everything I say, when I just want to scream 'you are a girl, it's a fact, get used to it' and throw some feminist literature at them.

This is tragic.

If your colleagues had any integrity, they wouldn’t be affirming the (self abusive) ideology. They become part of the problem.

colleagues who are nervously encouraging these children because they are too afraid to speak up

Just following orders, eh?

The number of professionally qualified ADULTS affirming this is mind boggling.

Putting their career before safeguarding children. Sickening.

FrancescaContini, I agree. Most of these children have suffered early childhood trauma. What I'm now interested in is whether this same experience is shared with children in general. Up until recently I thought it was mainly parents being drawn into this liberal gender web, and teenagers being influenced by it. Now I'm not so certain. But if I were to posit that early trauma is more common now in general id have to do an awful lot of research on family type, working patterns, parental roles, etc,.. this phenomena hasn't happened in a vacuum, and whilst I'm disturbed by the violence that is the trans juggernaut I don't think its being driven by some new patriarchal form seeking to obliterate women. It is, but I don't believe its cause is its effect, or read its effect as its cause.

I worked as a therapist but didn’t work with children (chose not to). I did study behavioural development and you were (back then) directed to look at potential early trauma or abuse in cases when a child was presented.

@FrancescaContini

The number of professionally qualified ADULTS affirming this is mind boggling.

Putting their career before safeguarding children. Sickening.

This. Obviously, to perform surgery of this kind, you need anaesthetists, anaesthetic assistants, scrub practitioners etc as well. And that's just the surgical side. Why are they also affirming was is akin to FGM?

Think this has been mentioned on another thread but can't remember which one. I've just started watching Exulansic's videos about Jazz Jennings and this doctor pops up (one of her patients is a supporting character on the show and is in a relationship with the doctor's sister, who works there - as I said I think this has been on a different thread).

No idea if the cutesy social media profile came before exposure on I Am Jazz but there's certainly a celebrity ego aspect to all this which is quite revolting.

Also - how trauma is handled may be a factor. So, excluding sexual abuse or neglect, a child who experiences the death of a parent or sibling, natural disaster, war etc won’t necessarily emerge as a deeply troubled teen/adult in need of dramatic ‘treatment’. You have support in such instances - charities, teachers etc, who treat you with kindness and understanding, help you cope.

We had a generation of children (during WW11) in the U.K. who lost parents and friends, who saw relatives return from fighting or POW camps (in pieces), who lived in fear, saw bodies and bomb sites… The culture was ‘crack on, it will get better, we are all in this…’ so why didn’t we have a generation of very damaged adults who were processing what they had experiences as children? Mum was one of these children.

But if you were told that you were special, different, tragic, etc and the only way for you to live is to go in for very drastic procedures (society tells you, media tells you, teachers and school pals tell you), then you are maybe swept along with this ‘belief’ as it is the truth that you are being told by your peers and trusted adults. It all very much muddies the water for young people who are genuinely in mental distress and need help.

Mini I'm interested in your experience with LAC. I worked in admin support to a LAC team 5 years ago and we had not one single trans identifying or NB child then. I often wonder how much it has changed (I'm not in touch with any of the team as they were horrible - good and skilled with the children but the worst of NHS bullying)

I'm a foster carer (for a long time) and out of the last 10 LAC we've cared for 2 out of 10 have either identified as trans when we looked after them or subsequently. This is in the last 4-5 years. It is, in my opinion, at least partially a trauma response in the kids we've seen. But both children were also fairly classically gender non conforming gay teens too. It's incredibly common in the wider foster children I know and the affirmation only approach and culture of fear generally in local authorities is leading to poor advocacy for children. It has changed in the last 5 years, rapidly and in my experience most social workers and the wider support for LAC are totally at sea with what to do.

@flordepringle

I'm a foster carer (for a long time) and out of the last 10 LAC we've cared for 2 out of 10 have either identified as trans when we looked after them or subsequently. This is in the last 4-5 years. It is, in my opinion, at least partially a trauma response in the kids we've seen. But both children were also fairly classically gender non conforming gay teens too. It's incredibly common in the wider foster children I know and the affirmation only approach and culture of fear generally in local authorities is leading to poor advocacy for children. It has changed in the last 5 years, rapidly and in my experience most social workers and the wider support for LAC are totally at sea with what to do.

Really interesting. There was a post somewhere on this board a few days ago that quoted a statistic regarding LAC, I’m sorry but I can’t remember the exact figure but essentially there were several times more LAC identifying in line with this ideology compared with non-LAC.

I think this merits further investigation. For those professionals who work with LAC, do any of your colleagues openly express surprise/ query the sudden increase in children who “identify” in this way?

I wouldn't be surprised that the LAC figures are startling. I'd be very interested if someone is collecting info so I'll look for that. Foster carers are generally in quite a precarious position and going against a fully captured LA isn't always easy. I know foster carers that have pushed back quite hard against the sort of 'just buy them a binder' approach from social workers and they are labelled as recessive and not supportive. And sometimes strongly criticised. Which can have serious consequences for foster carers careers. Neither of the trans identifying kids we cared for were with us long term so my experience with the nitty gritty of dealing with this issue with my local authority is a bit limited so far. But it feels inevitable that it is going to come up against and again.

Interesting but also really depressing. Just buy them a binder

No - get them to the point when they accept their body and work on their self worth and happiness.

I wish I had the stat handy (must shovel snow soon so the mailman can walk), but I was told recently that there is an uptick in my country's (US) foster and homeless youth identifying as trans. My original viewpoint was that trans and NB were privileged, bored, possibly ASD or ADHD kids (latter is true), but perhaps this was my bias being influenced by anecdotal info.

My point, this is happening to vulnerable kids in the foster system in other countries as well. A teen boy we recently fostered (a one-time thing - we are not regular foster parents) told us how he shared a room with a trans girl. Most homeless youth shelters in our city have language (all affirming) for trans youth and they can choose the dorm they feel most comfortable with, not assigned based on their sex.

I think it has been noted that there is a high proportion of children in the care system who transition in Canada.
Will have to look for the source.

Do they particularly take children into care if parents don’t agree with them transitioning?

KittenKong I certainly think there is or can be some sort of reinforcement of trauma, whereas years ago people were expected to just have a "stiff upper lip" but then so many of the children I work with have come from invalidating environments where their early experiences were that of being neglected, their emotions ignored, and they have been shown no empathy. Some seem to have empathy until you realise they are not necessarily concerned for others just hyper vigilant because they have learned to observe closely through fear.

I haven't witnessed children being taken into care because they are transitioning although I have experience of children coming into care following admission to medium secure psych due to distress and ID'ing themselves as trans.

flordepringle your anecdotal experience mirrors mine. I agree with you that I think its partially a response to trauma. If I try to join the dots with the kids I see then I end up drawing lines between BPD or emotional dysregulation back to early attachment trauma. The kids I see have emotional dysregulation and self harm, they have a very unstable sense of identity, some have an unstable sense of identity with their gender. I think there is some sort of link.

FrancescaContini yep, depressing, and harmful.
Really interesting. There was a post somewhere on this board a few days ago that quoted a statistic regarding LAC, I’m sorry but I can’t remember the exact figure but essentially there were several times more LAC identifying in line with this ideology compared with non-LAC I'd like to see that post if you could find it. I found some research earlier that claims that LAC are over represented. I'll link it. I definitely think more research is needed, not because we need to understand why more LAC DC have gender dysphoria than children in general, but because it might be extended to understand how early trauma might play a part in unstable gender/identity in all children. Certainly I think there is some value in Freudian analysis when you look at autogynephilia. I have expressed concern openly at work. I actually went to my manager and said "I am struggling with this" Thankfully the people I work with are mostly on the same page, however some are almost over enthusiastically supportive to the point of encouragement, and this seems to stem from fear of being seen as regressive, but this undermines our work. It may look to the child as acceptance but there is nothing to accept if you have no stable identity. Subjectivity is not born from within, and I think liberal individualism has a lot to answer for! It reinforces individuation and separation whilst at the same time pushing the isolated individual towards a subjectivity that can be labelled and filed, thus belonging somewhere. I think set theory better explains this phenomena better than any theory or philosophy {confused] or it might just be that I am not explianing myself very well! I really wish I could just point blank refuse the self determination agenda and just state facts to these kids.

Delphinium20 I thought it was some sort of fashion adopted by bored teens and more often kids with ASD too.

"Looked-after and adopted young people have been anecdotally recognised by clinicians in the GIDS as possibly overrepresented within the amount of people referred compared to their prevalence in the general population" journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1359104518791657

I really hope the tide turns and some of these sick adults are sued for their part in this horror.

FannyCann are they in care because they are trans, or are they now trans because they are in care?