Just a small rant re JKR's latest tweet and the responses it

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I'm on Reddit. I mainly use it for Sims stuff, but if you use it you'll know you can't really escape 'popular' topics.

So a few of the news/UK subs were reporting on this, the articles as well as JKR's response (to be clear, I'm talking about the tweet that said "“War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. The Penis-ed Individual Who Raped You Is a Woman.”"). And every single post is about how awful she is because it is demonising trans women and tarring them all with the same brush*.

Not a single post, seriously not one, acknowledging that maybe putting a convicted rapist of women in confined spaces with other women is a bad idea.

It's like people nowadays are so completely devoid of the power of critical thinking. They see it from one angle, and one angle only, and absolutely will not relax their thinking. It's clear from most of the comments that they haven't read the article, just the tweet, and that because of the previous 'transphobic' tweets they don't deem it worth actually educating themselves. Why should they give a shit about the women incarcerated with a rapist? It's far more important to validate the identity of a convicted rapist than it is to keep those women safe. And yet they see nothing wrong with this - because it's genuinely not an angle they would ever consider.

It's so disheartening. I actually find it completely upsetting, which is why I restrain myself from responding on platforms where I'm just likely to be called a Karen, a Boomer, a transphobic TERF or whatever.

No need to respond, I just needed a place to put this down as I can't talk to anyone in real life about it really and at least here I am confident I will be able to have an anonymous balanced conversation with intelligent women.

I'm off to bed now though so if anyone does respond please don't think I'm ignoring you!

I doubt any of those people have ever read a whole book and certainly couldn't manage anything by George Orwell or Aldous Huxley.

Double plus ungood.

Hear, hear we need more of this chat

So true. I'm genuinely terrified about how accepted the dismantling of female rights is right now. But apparently 'be kind' does not extend to females.

Reddit is full-on sexism. Its platform is built on porn, TheRedPill and incels. All GC subs were banned in one go last year (which is why Ovarit was created). Its admin team is dodgy as hell (search for Challenor), there are now no actual lesbians in r/actuallesbians, and the only subs that are allowed to state a preference for biological women are the many, many porn subs.

Unsubscribe yourself from all the default subs and stick to smaller hobby subs if you must. Better yet, delete the whole thing because Reddit is not worth it.

They in fact allowed a bunch of rape fantasy subs and other nasty shit to stay up while banning subs for detransitioners (although it did eventually get reinstated) and GC women. I think a sub called GC guys was allowed to stay up for a bit longer, but ultimately went.

Any subs that look to be for gender critical now are in fact the total opposite.

Speaking of detrans, interesting thread going here…

Nothing we didn’t already know, but out in the fields of Reddit it’s a rare find these days.

www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/qyf0wn/anyone_else_feel_like_women_are_being_talked_over/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Reddit is full of young people, most people on Reddit are under 35.

They’ve been educated in a ‘left wing’ education system and I suppose this is the result of purely ‘left wing thinking’. Apologies if this doesn’t sound very clear or like a very satisfactory explanation but I genuinely don’t know how else to put it.

The fundamental differences between left wing and right wing would be things like:

Reality: right wing thinkers tend to want to discover what reality is and adjust themselves to it while the left wants to shape reality and bend it to the human will.

Equality. Right wingers tend to see some form of inequality as natural and the natural result of human differences and human freedoms while all left wing movements believe in equality.

Speech. The right tends to see speech as a way of describing reality and expressing our thoughts, feelings and ideas while the left sees language as something more powerful than that, they see words as something that shapes our thinking and the wider world which is why the left is often obsessed with language policing and enforcing political correctness.

Nature vs nurture. The right see nature the left see nurture.

For several decades the culture and education system in the west has been almost entirely left wing.

So we have a generation of people who believe if someone feels they are a woman then they are a woman and can genuinely be one. They see a rapist as an unfortunate product of society and someone who is equal with everybody else despite having done a very bad thing. And language that contradicts that isn’t just an expression of someone else’s opinion, language they believe is far more powerful and therefore potentially more dangers than and therefore certain language can’t just be tolerated and must be shutdown.

Don’t know if that makes sense but that’s how I see what is going on and why.

One other thing I would say about my above post on left wing thinking vs right wing thinking is that it is therefore not an accident that every major British political party capable of winning seats in Parliament that is left wing (Labour, SNP, Lib Dem, PC, Green) comes down on the same side of this debate which a few notable exceptions while the conservatives and those parties to the right of the conservatives (again with a few notable exceptions) all fall on the other side of the debate.

If this wasn’t a left vs right issue I don’t think this would be the case.

Also young people are far more likely to vote for left wing parties.

That detrans Reddit thread is interesting.

(And not surprising at all.)

If you follow a simple narrative, whilst also witnessing the violence thrown down at those who don't follow that same narrative, you don't really need to think very much. I see a lot of that.

because it is demonising trans women and tarring them all with the same brush.

She didn't.

They are.

That's the biggest irony of all this. They've jumped to conclusions that she means trans people. She means male rapists who abuse the system and are allowed to.

@WarriorN

because it is demonising trans women and tarring them all with the same brush.

She didn't.

They are.

That's the biggest irony of all this. They've jumped to conclusions that she means trans people. She means male rapists who abuse the system and are allowed to.

This.

This is worth pointing out, far abd wide.

Unless anyone identifies as a rapist they are not referenced within JKRs tweet.

[quote Scraggythang]Speaking of detrans, interesting thread going here…

Nothing we didn’t already know, but out in the fields of Reddit it’s a rare find these days.

www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/qyf0wn/anyone_else_feel_like_women_are_being_talked_over/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf[/quote]
That Reddit thread is sad and enlightening, in turn.

So many women utterly disillusioned by the entire thing.

Yeah it's hilarious that the gender zealots associate transwomen with rapists. Such idiots. 🤣

It's like people nowadays are so completely devoid of the power of critical thinking.

Yes. It's the utter, extraordinary bone-headed stupidity of it all that gets to me sometimes. All she said was that rapists shouldn't have their sex recorded as female, which is what Police Scotland is proposing to do.

How could anyone sane possibly disagree with that? Indeed, how could a trans activist disagree with it? Surely the only sensible response from a trans activist would be to say "Of course rapists shouldn't have their sex recorded as women. Men who rape women aren't trans: a trans woman would never rape a woman. Recording a rapist as female will give trans women a bad name and turn people against them."

The fact that they are too stupid to say that - that they have actually responded by defending the right of rapists to have their identity as women respected by their authorities - undermines their entire argument.

We now know that everything else they say - that trans women are just like other women; that trans women are gentle souls who "only want to pee"; that women's fear of trans women as sexual predators is misguided - is false. They have shown us exactly what they are: a bunch of men's rights activists who support the rights of rapists over the rights of women.

How could anyone sane possibly disagree with that? Indeed, how could a trans activist disagree with it?

It's because it gives them two alternative conclusions: according what they say trans means, rapists identifying as trans is inevitable, or self-ID needs to be rejected because it damages safeguarding. According to their religion it's not possible for them to engage with either position so instead move onto aggressive gaslighting. It's cynical low cunning rather than stupidity.

I wouldn't take it too seriously tbh. People on reddit are mostly bored teenagers. Although...I guess it's worrying if they grow up and still think in straight lines!

@Kitkatcancan Great post, but I think it's important to note that right wingers (I feel weird aligning myself with any wing, never mind right, but that's where we seem to be) definitely believe in equality. But they believe in equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. They don't want to bend and shape the often inherent unfairness of life.
For example, the not-total-wankers of the right wing can feel sorry for a person born with one leg, and agree that person deserves support, without believing the one-legged person should be able to run faster than the two-legged people...

How could anyone sane possibly disagree with that? Indeed, how could a trans activist disagree with it?

People who know, on some level, that their position is unsupportable with any evidence, gaslight when they can't converse. This is happening all over the trans debates. The accusation of tarring everyone with the same brush is very much of the gaslighting type. No-one with a single ounce of sense would read that into the statement so to make that accusation is a manipulation technique.

@LongBlobson I stayed up reading it. Some devastating realisation on there.

It's a knee jerk reaction to whatever she says so they can get outraged, without understanding (or even wanting to understand) what she is actually saying.

So we have a generation of people who believe if someone feels they are a woman then they are a woman and can genuinely be one. They see a rapist as an unfortunate product of society and someone who is equal with everybody else despite having done a very bad thing. And language that contradicts that isn’t just an expression of someone else’s opinion, language they believe is far more powerful and therefore potentially more dangers than and therefore certain language can’t just be tolerated and must be shutdown.

Interesting. Im not quite so sure about "equal with everybody else despite having done a very bad thing". I have a hobby that attracts mostly younger people (although many are older too) and belong to a subreddit and discord groups etc. The younger ones have very black and white thinking eg Such and such did a bad thing so is a bad person. So for them: Rapists=bad. JKR=bad because of "what she said". They are equally bad.

However, yes, there is a war of language raging for sure. When the same words mean very different things, depending on who or which side is using them, there is going to be a clash.

@Kitkatcancan I think I may have agreed with you, without realising it.

(Need more coffee)

It's because it gives them two alternative conclusions: according what they say trans means, rapists identifying as trans is inevitable, or self-ID needs to be rejected because it damages safeguarding. According to their religion it's not possible for them to engage with either position so instead move onto aggressive gaslighting. It's cynical low cunning rather than stupidity.

I agree with you, nauticant. Obviously if they accepted that rapists could identify as trans for nefarious purposes then they'd be conceding that there's a problem with self-ID. And they can't concede that, so they shout a lot about what an evil terrible transphobe JKR is and pretend that she thinks trans women are all rapists. Which she obviously doesn't, and is almost diametrically opposite to what she actually said.

However, I like to think that there are still people out there who haven't yet engaged with the debate but who are intelligent and/or decent enough to be horrified at the trans activist response. Admittedly, there isn't much evidence for that but I live in hope.

I think it's noteworthy that it's impossible to make JKR's statement apply with the same force to Vagina-ed individuals who call themselves Men. Though I have an inkling that its impact is possibly what the courts are resisting for FMcC's children

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is Strength.
The Vagina-ed Individual who gave birth to you Is your Father.