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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NZ passes SelfID

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NZGC · 09/12/2021 06:24

NZ passed self ID today - with hardly a ripple. (Currently) it’s not even on the front page of our online news sites. It feels utterly crushing. www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/parliament-passes-self-id-bill-at-third-reading-making-it-easier-for-trans-people-to-update-birth-certificates/M24MBI57SURETEJB5CEVJLEPH4/

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lovelyweathertoday · 09/12/2021 06:37
Angry
Clymene · 09/12/2021 06:45

New Zealand is lost. 1 in 3 women in nz are victims of Dv and now they can be locked up with their perpetrators

Slow hand clap for Ardern with her liberal middle class lens

ChakaFridaMendips · 09/12/2021 06:52

@Clymene

New Zealand is lost. 1 in 3 women in nz are victims of Dv and now they can be locked up with their perpetrators

Slow hand clap for Ardern with her liberal middle class lens

This

For a ‘nice’ country with nice people, there really is some shit going on behind closed doors.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 09/12/2021 07:00

That has an made my heart sink into my boots. Do they not be think or do they just not care?

SpindlesWinterWhorl · 09/12/2021 07:00

The NZ government is full of fucking idiots. Imagine being so venal that you're able to be manipulated by some really nasty bastards with a hideous ideology.

I hope the indigenous wahine Māori women fighting this atrocity take it right to the top of the human rights ladder.

Caggietambellblack · 09/12/2021 07:04

NZ has gone the same way as Canada sadly.

Both led by a vacuous virtue signaller who’s great at the photo opps and sound bites and appears liberal but is actually under the surface an unpleasant authoritarian misogynist who does not give a flying fuck about women. Straight out of the Nicola Sturgeon school of government.

This will be very hard for the women of NZ who care about women’s rights to undo.

LoveGrooveDanceParty · 09/12/2021 07:09

This was our Minister for Women (yes, women) today. Believe me, not everyone is OK with this, but in this climate, you’re not allowed to dissent.

NZ passes SelfID
Terfydactyl · 09/12/2021 07:38

Oh ffs.
And you know in a year that NZ will be the poster country for this whole fucking argument.

See NZ has had these laws in place for a year and nothing terrible has happened.
Completely bypassing those few places women can speak and are telling us that it's not working.
Completely forgetting that now its law it cannot be talked about in the open. It all has to be in secret.
I dont even know how someone who runs a country can be so bloody dense as to make this law without any thinking around the possible issues.

NZGC · 09/12/2021 07:41

Some 75% of submissions opposed this but it doesn’t matter when the government won’t listen. The ultimate insult - it was passed unanimously. Just utterly soul destroying.

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Moneypennysfreedomfund · 09/12/2021 07:51

I’m appalled, I love this country ( UK born, bred and educated) I would be classed as left wing and yup voted for Ardern. Will not do so again. The main group that tried to support women had a campaign of silence and smear via the press

speakupforwomen.nz/addressing-misinformation-regarding-concerns-with-sex-self-identification/

I’ve noticed that things in NZ are shifting to a strange new realm where it’s ok for the government to admit they have broken the human rights act re mandating vaccines ( I’m double vaccinated but do not support mandates) … but can ignore half the country and their rights, it’s become very perilous in schools as well. In the same vein it’s seen as ok by our council for men to picket the local hospital with anti abortion placards on the one day a week, I believe, the clinic for abortion services is open.

We are being erased down here … and all the political parties supported it… and I’m furious…

NZGC · 09/12/2021 07:52

What a I wouldn’t give to have a couple of good old fashioned ‘Conservatives’ to have at least opposed it. Alas our ‘Conservative’ party (National) is the other side of the same neo liberal coin Labour is.

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Totalwasteofpaper · 09/12/2021 07:55

@Clymene

New Zealand is lost. 1 in 3 women in nz are victims of Dv and now they can be locked up with their perpetrators

Slow hand clap for Ardern with her liberal middle class lens

This.

I wonder how many women will have to be raped for them to "consider reviewing" the policy.

NZGC · 09/12/2021 07:56

Oh excuse all the tense/grammar mistakes. Clearly overwrought.

What I wouldn’t have given for there to have been a couple of good old fashioned ‘Conservatives’ to have at least opposed it. Alas our ‘Conservative’ party (National) is the other side of the same neo liberal coin as Labour.

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KittenKong · 09/12/2021 08:01

What is it with Scotland, Canada and NZ? Seriously...

NZGC · 09/12/2021 08:01

Agree with you @Moneypennysfreedomfund

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/12/2021 08:40

Both led by a vacuous virtue signaller who’s great at the photo opps and sound bites and appears liberal but is actually under the surface an unpleasant authoritarian misogynist who does not give a flying fuck about women. Straight out of the Nicola Sturgeon school of government.

Indeed.

Porridgeislife · 09/12/2021 08:41

It’s an enormous fallacy that New Zealand is a country of friendly liberal types. Kiwis individually tend to be friendly people which is where this comes from.

Away from the city centres it’s exceptionally big C conservative. Liberalism is at best a thin veneer.

Jacinda has been anything but liberal in how she’s handled Covid. Auckland’s lockdown was astonishing in its severity.

KittenKong · 09/12/2021 08:42

She has a daughter doesn’t she? So she can expect to have a teenage girl telling at her in a few years for taking women’s rights away

thevassal · 09/12/2021 08:43

Bizarrely one of the main news items on msn today was about NZ - not about this but the smoking ban...strange priorities. Although the smoking ban is also incredibly authoritarian.

Moneypennysfreedomfund · 09/12/2021 08:49

I do wonder for how many women this has slipped by. I read the threads on here, did some reading of my own I feel but suspect that had I not done so I wouldn’t have been so opposed. I feel strongly that this issue, as complex as it is, is easily ignored and women who, like me, supported gay rights, abhorred the section 28 legislation etc… could let this just wash over them.

The quiet eradication of woman and women has been truly secretive and as subtle as the methods used in the ‘Handmaid’s Tale’. I watched the documentary ‘Cancelled’’ ( am unsurprised that TVNZ has not picked up the rights to show the documentary down here) and the evidence is clear, to call out this eradication of women is to face threats, loss of income, loss of safety in our legal, physical, emotional, sex based, financial and employment rights. I’m frightened to openly voice my thoughts and am sure I am not alone ( registration to a professional body which supports TW) I cannot afford to lose my registration or job and nor can the majority of other women or even those who already have. The economic gags and realities make me feel very small.

Anyone else finding that their reactions to drag acts etc are very much changed? Used to have no issue with drag acts but the vicious parodying of women now just makes me very, very angry.

Rather a jumbled post, but had to vent my fear, anger and knotted stomach somewhere.

SusannaQueen · 09/12/2021 08:58

Anyone else finding that their reactions to drag acts etc are very much changed? Used to have no issue with drag acts but the vicious parodying of women now just makes me very, very angry.

My Mum used to rant about drag acts, she's not great with women's rights, but drag always bothered her. I used to roll my eyes at how narrow minded she was. Now I agree with her (and you) it's just taking the piss out of women.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 09/12/2021 09:10

Couldn't imagine they'd go against the grain, especially as Australia has had self-ID for years without anyone really noticing Angry

Delphinium20 · 09/12/2021 15:09

NZ women, just here to commiserate with you in solidarity. Your government let you down but many of us around the world are on your side. Very sorry.

sashagabadon · 09/12/2021 15:20

I think what all these countries previously mentioned (Canada, NZ and Ireland) have in common is they are relatively small with a much larger more dominant neighbour that they actively want to distinguish themselves from. Scotland too obviously but Scotland is actually in a political and financial union with its larger neighbour so harder to get self ID there ( although they are trying!)
I also think these countries like to see they are just ahead of the conversation more progressive than their neighbours when on this matter they are actually just behind in the debate but don’t realise it ( particularly in the U.K. but also in Australia too).
They also just have much smaller populations and so self ID negative impacts are not so easily apparent to most of the population but Ireland is starting to see issues and people are speaking out there now and the same will happen in NZ.
I also disagree NZ is a liberal country, look at how it has treated its expats, 1 million apparently.
NZ has a land mass larger than the U.K. and a tenth of the population.

Rhcp789 · 09/12/2021 15:44

@NZGC

Some 75% of submissions opposed this but it doesn’t matter when the government won’t listen. The ultimate insult - it was passed unanimously. Just utterly soul destroying.
Yes but many of that 75% will likely go and re-elect most of the same MPs who just ignored them so why would these politicians feel the need to listen to their opinions on this issue? If your vote can be taken for granted then your opinions are sort of irrelevant.

Democracy doesn’t mean the elected representatives will always do what the electorate want, it means the electorate will get the MPs they elect.

Most of the posters here seem to be from the U.K. In the U.K. the parties to the right of the conservatives tend to share the same GC views of the majority of posters here as do many (but by no means all) conservative MPs in the U.K. parliament.

However if there were an election in the U.K. tomorrow and only the posters on this forum could vote I have no doubt they would elect left wing MPs who are open about wanting these left wing policies and then scream furiously while the MPs they elected passed into law the very policies that they promised to pass into law if elected.

There comes a point where my sympathy for left wing GC voters ends.