NZ passes SelfID

[NZGC]

NZ passed self ID today - with hardly a ripple. (Currently) it’s not even on the front page of our online news sites. It feels utterly crushing. www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/parliament-passes-self-id-bill-at-third-reading-making-it-easier-for-trans-people-to-update-birth-certificates/M24MBI57SURETEJB5CEVJLEPH4/

On the same day, they announce ending smoking in the country by the next generation,talk about smoke and mirrors.
Apologies from this Kiwi to all women.

[quote NZGC]NZ passed self ID today - with hardly a ripple. (Currently) it’s not even on the front page of our online news sites. It feels utterly crushing. www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/parliament-passes-self-id-bill-at-third-reading-making-it-easier-for-trans-people-to-update-birth-certificates/M24MBI57SURETEJB5CEVJLEPH4/[/quote]
Brilliant - nothing is going to change for most women. Life is going to get a bit easier for trans people. That's good.

Well Posie got there first.

I think it was a street in Wellington iirc, and after the inevitable demand that the sign be taken down a businessman offered his own locations (my memory is hazy here but my phone tells me I took the screen shot on 13 July for anyone searching).

We'll have a few months of Catherina telling us it's all going swimmingly before - inevitably - N Z gets its very own Barbie Kardashian. Then the plan B swings into action : you're using this vanishingly rare psycho to smear the most fragile bla blah...

From the NZ Herald link in the OP.

This will give the Government opportunity to consult with the rainbow community and receive submissions and ensure the legislation works to support those it concerns.

Dose this mean that a law has been passed but the details are yet to be worked out? Is this the way laws are normally passed in NZ? Or does it mean there may still be time to stop self ID becoming law in 18 months time?

Will there will safeguards put in place which mean women will be protected so they do not need to be consulted because it doesn't concern us? The royal us, I'm not from NZ.

What will it mean for single sex spaces, sports etc? Is sex being retained in equality legislation or is it being replaced with gender?

So many questions.

In the same vein it’s seen as ok by our council for men to picket the local hospital with anti abortion placards on the one day a week, I believe, the clinic for abortion services is open.

And meanwhile at least one MP wants to make surrogacy agreements binding meaning a woman who gets second thoughts about an arrangements she has entered into will not be able to have an abortion but will be forced to see it through.

The article mentions that law reform is being discussed, or rather looking to be enforced:

"Labour MP Tāmati Coffey, who, with his partner Tim Smith, welcomed their son Tūtānekai by surrogate in 2019, currently has a members' bill in ballot calling for modern laws for modern families. It includes reform of birth certificates, providing a way
to enforce surrogacy arrangements and creating a register of potential surrogates."

www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/kiwi-mums-heartbreak-after-surrogate-terminates-her-pregnancy-i-went-into-shock/52Y6PO5M4LV73RGZF67TX5E4LU/

@Clymene

New Zealand is lost. 1 in 3 women in nz are victims of Dv and now they can be locked up with their perpetrators

Slow hand clap for Ardern with her liberal middle class lens

Yep. Not sure there are enough slow claps in the world for this crap.

Depressing. So sorry for all the brave and intelligent New Zealand women who have been trying to stop this.

NZ has gone the same way as Canada sadly.

Both led by a vacuous virtue signaller who’s great at the photo opps and sound bites and appears liberal but is actually under the surface an unpleasant authoritarian misogynist who does not give a flying fuck about women. Straight out of the Nicola Sturgeon school of government.

This also describes the Irish government of the last few years, totally up their own arse but think they are super progressive and wonderful. More concerned with how things look to the outside world than for their own citizens. It's nauseating.

What bothers me so much is that they never asked the public if we were ok with this. They know full well that the vast majority of the voting public would not support this, if they have the full facts. Why are they allowed to just carry on enacting laws that go against what the majority want? So fucking arrogant.

Final nail in the coffin of moving back there.

Ardern's government is so authoritarian it's disturbing, and the opposition is atrocious so the checks and balances aren't even there.

The surrogacy legislation is so, so concerning. They are also looking to ram through legislation on ‘sport inclusivity’.

@NZGC

The surrogacy legislation is so, so concerning. They are also looking to ram through legislation on ‘sport inclusivity’.

Fucksake.

" On the same day, they announce ending smoking in the country by the next generation,"

And that could be just as delusional

I loathe this authoritarian 'progressive' politics. It has become the anti-thesis of true liberalism that depends on free debate and grass roots discussion. It is all about corporate sponsored think tanks acting as secular priestly caste deciding things on high then organizing training and putting out messages on social media.

We have a niece in NZ. DH wondered how she would feel about it. I'm afraid that she won't even be aware of it until something happens that affects her (or her daughter) directly, because legislation seems to be brought in under the radar in so many countries. Even in the UK, I think many people wouldn't know what I was talking about if I raised the subject....

I just put up a post, but it does detail the provisions in the very bad law they passed. I didn't see this one, sorry.

It's full on self-ID, pretty much no restrictions at all and I bet even with the long lead in time they are supposed to have they will essentially bring it in prior. This government isn't afraid to do that at and they certainly don't mind trampling over democratic principles.

Jacinda Ardern just doesn't front this, anything contentious is just thrown down to her incompetent minions.

@NZGC

What a I wouldn’t give to have a couple of good old fashioned ‘Conservatives’ to have at least opposed it. Alas our ‘Conservative’ party (National) is the other side of the same neo liberal coin Labour is.

It's the same thing here in Canada where they just passed the conversion therapy bill. The Conservatives just went along and voted for it with the Liberals and New Democrats. They are terrified of "the wrong side of history.)

@Delphinium20

NZ women, just here to commiserate with you in solidarity. Your government let you down but many of us around the world are on your side. Very sorry.

Thank you