The types of men revealed in 'this debate'

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I was reading along to the Twitter comments on Richard Dawkins recent post about the declaration on women's rights and can clearly see three types of men. Have a missed any?

1. Men who have never previously given thought to women or women's rights, never engaged in discussion about it with men or women and the first time they do is by telling women that they are bigots if they reject the notion that how you identify should instead replace the material reality and understanding of their sex. They are men colluding with men to continue the system of patriarchy as they recognise that this is what gender identity ideology actually is, a system of male supremacy. It's a show of solidarity to men and the system that ultimately benefits them. They have been groomed by patriarchy to separate themselves from women, as women are the 'subordinate', and to assert their dominance. They know trans women continue to be males and demonstrate male entitlement and domination tactics along with institutional support, embedding male dominance. They have chosen not to be affiliated with women, the subordinate, when presented with this public issue and instead choose patriarchy but dishonestly say it is because TWAW and that they are 'progressive' and 'inclusive' while being neither.

1. Men who do not care until an issue effects them personally despite living in a world where 50 percent of the population are women being affected. They are ignorant or apathetic or don't want to engage until it is meaningful for them.

1. Men who can see this is male supremacy and a torrent of misogyny at play and aren't afraid to speak up and show solidarity with women.

How about:

4: Men who can see this is male supremacy and a torrent of misogyny at play but ARE afraid to speak up and show solidarity with women (because they are also afraid of men).

1. The skeptics. The motivation is not woman's rights, even if their views align on this subject and in some cases it's seen as a positive benefit.

However the primary motivation is "de-bunking myths" and arguing the plethora of "facts" and "stats" with TRA's is part of the skeptic hobby (and makes a change from the flat Earther's.

Hmmm

I would say that you missed the biggest group on that thread. The MRAs, who either are trans, or see transwomen as lesser men, who they would prefer to push on to women. To both get them away from themselves and to revel in the discomfort and pain this causes women. The sadists and abusers.

Interesting classification! I might add (although it disrupts your categories a bit so maybe a sub classification ):
Useful men (can have good or bad motives) - that is men to whom other men listen - they are useful as, frustrating though it may be, the patriarchy still exists.

6 men who have always considered themselves to be liberal, left wing and thoughtful but some how never do the heavy lifting at work or at home. In the past they would have struggled with their relationship with women because they have to admit male privilege. Now they can just call any women that answers back a Karen. Total win

What drwitch said

What about the men who just don’t get it? They support the TRAs because they think it’s a kind thing to do at no cost to them. They can’t understand why some women don’t feel the same and just assume these women are prejudiced and selfish,

It depends what definition of "man" you are using, OP.

Is it the dictionary definition "adult human male" or the Equality Act definition "a male of any age"?

I ask because I think male teenagers with very little life experience seem to be another category.

I was using adult human male. I think all the comments and additions are spot on too.

I kind of put teenagers into breadincaptivities example, very keen to get fixated on arguing 'facts' and semantics because they have no skin in the game and also full of hubris despite their limited life experience.

I'd add the category of men with GAMP tendencies, or with mild AGP tendencies but not enough to actually transition, who are invested in believing that TWAW so that they can continue to consider themselves straight/ fantasise that they'd be better at being women than women are, if they did transition. I think this category is larger than I used to think it is, though there's a large overlap your category 1.

Have we covered philosophising twats yet?

Nellodee 🤣🤣🤣

Are LOJ/AH's egos big enough for a group on their own?

Seriously we may have missed a group (and there are more than the two above).

The self promoters. Those who latch onto a cause with a febrile following and use it to elevate their own status/platform through social and mainstream media.

Whilst it may appear they are fully bought into the ideology/cause, the real investment is in themselves.

The give away is that they are well educated, with a good understanding of sex/same sex attraction, damn well know what a woman is when it suits them and have form for dabbling in other causes that might look/are "profitable".

Foxy you mean.

I think parsley is motivated more by utter woman hating.

AC?
The SNP?

Where do the incels fot in? With the MRAs?

I'm not sure they fit in with the hormone addled teenage victim followers and indoctrinated youth?

Guilty parents, terrified of doing the wrong thing?

He should be there in three what want to do? I suspect it will be 5ish. Hope no longer who knows..

Oh lol oops! That's a text I meant to send 😂😃😂

I actually think this is the thought process for a lot of women too.
It's only until you look into it a tiny bit further that you peak.

What are LOJs and AHs?

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1. Gay men who equate the homophobia they have experienced in the past with transphobia and take the side of trans identified men against women.

Men who find themselves attracted to TW (porn or otherwise) but are afraid that makes them gay/bi so they have argue that TWAW to make everything right again.

The Right wing man.

Delighted that this debate is dividing the Left and they see the trans agenda for what it is.

They are fighting against pronouns, imposed speech, authoritarian ideas etc however they argue that it is all feminists fault - feminists invented gender and so they try to blame women and feminism as the root cause of trans ideology.

Men who think feminism has won and women are now completely equal because there are some women at their work who are doing very well (although those men still find it difficult to load a washing machine or ask for time off for a sick child). They just don't see the VAWG because it doesn't fit into their frame of reference at all.

Subconsciously a lot of them think women have won and it is now time for them to budge up a bit and be kind.

I'm in group 4. I do some small things where I can, for example at work getting the equalities statement on our job ads changed, and I donate money to relevant charities and fundraisers, but I'm not brave enough to take the career risk involved in being openly outspoken on the topic.

Reading more closely I see LightSpeeds' group 4 definition says "afraid of men". That's not the case for me - it's mostly adult human female women who police this stuff in my workplace. Most men entirely avoid getting involved.