Four £10.5K crossings in Camden

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The thread shows photos of letters that other residents have sent with the answers.

Over £40 spent on crossings that don't really help anyone and promote one group only.

Money well spent FFS.

Absolutely infuriating.

I'm sorry but you can't call yourself an oppressed minority when they're literally painting your flag on roads and emblazoning rainbows on cop cars.

This is the ideology of the ruling classes. Why can't people see it?

I knew they would have cost thousands. All those twits on Twitter saying 'paint is cheap you know'. No it isn't if it's designed to have traffic rolling over it.

Here's some stats about Camden:

'On some health indicators Camden scores significantly worse than the England average, including: diabetes diagnoses, new sexually transmitted infections (STI) and new cases of TB. Camden outperforms the national average on a range of indicators including: under 75 mortality rates for all causes, cardiovascular and cancer; hospital stays for self-harm; and dementia diagnoses in the over 65s.'

Gospel Oak is in the top 13% of deprived areas in the U.K.

'In 2018-19 38.9% of children in Camden live in low income families (60% below median income). Camden ranks 4th highest in London. This compares with a London average of 19.3% and 17.3% in England & Wales.'

Imagine what some of those children could have done with £40k

It's all OTT and ponders to the TRA ideology.

I thought one of the reasons zebra crossings are black and white is because the contrast makes them easier to see for people who are visually impaired. And how is a guide dog going to recognise that as a zebra crossing?

@chesirecat99

I thought one of the reasons zebra crossings are black and white is because the contrast makes them easier to see for people who are visually impaired. And how is a guide dog going to recognise that as a zebra crossing?

It is, and a lot of time and research and money originally went into designing them.

All for no good reason if we will just be tearing up all the research notes and rules of road markings.
Shall we make other road signs and street furniture colourful. Why stop at rainbows, let's get the glitter out.
Fuck the world, I bet a sparkly lamppost will be much better for us all.
Traffic lights in taupe and cerise and yellow, why not, to hell with it.

Several comments from angry parents where the council can't find the money for their disabled child's EHCP but can find thousands for pretty virtue signalling that makes roads more dangerous for disabled people.

Ffs. It's not exactly building positive associations with that sign or the council is it?

Here are some police horses who are too scared of a rainbow crossing to walk over it.

As well as them being incomprehensible to guide dogs and hard to see for visually impaired people.

Well I think Camden has made it very clear who they care about and it isn't the disabled.

What a disgraceful waste of money.

@chesirecat99

I thought one of the reasons zebra crossings are black and white is because the contrast makes them easier to see for people who are visually impaired. And how is a guide dog going to recognise that as a zebra crossing?

They're not zebra crossings, just painted stripes on pelican crossings (ie traffic light junctions). It's unfortunate that the stripes on these ones give the impression of a variation of a zebra crossing. There's a very wide one at the bottom of Tottenham Court Road but that's made up of several colours and is so big that it's not easily mistakeable for a zebra crossing.

I can't tell from the FOI whether the £10k was just for the single crossing on Cartwright Gardens or all four of them at that junction.

I know teaching assistants on the bloody breadline who use their own money to purchase essential supplies not covered by the school's budget (eg spare socks and pants down in Reception, where barely a week of the autumn term goes by without a lake of wee appearing where it isn't wanted).

This sort of waste of money really really REALLY pisses me off.

But... it says look both ways.

Surely that should be look ALL ways or even the actual, unlimitedm every changing numbe rof non binary identities.

But mostly - does that remove its mandatory traffic crossing status?

A zebra crossing must adhere to the placing on the carriageway to indicate the limits of the crossing of road markings of the size, colour and type specified in Part II of Schedule 1.

and that says

Road markings

1. Subject to the following provisions of this Part of this Schedule—

(a)within the limits of a Zebra crossing the carriageway shall be marked with a series of alternate black and white stripes;
(b)the Zebra controlled areas shall be marked with give-way lines, a line of studs and zig-zag lines,
of the size and type, and generally in the manner, shown in the diagram at the end of this Part of this Schedule.

My bold.

So that nd the lack of zig zags, road studs, lights etc, suggests that this crossing is not a form of zebra crossing and any pedestrian using it must know that they don't have the same priority as they would at a Zebra Crossing. No matter what they are told by the Council

So what is it's reason for existing? It isn't a safe crossing place.

If you live near one write to your council and ask what it is and what risk assessment they d before painting it on the road.

Cite guide dogs, horses, it not adhering to any road crossing legislation and the cost.

And ask them what they will do the first time someone gets run over on one?

IT'S NOT A ZEBRA CROSSING! It's a pelican crossing (or rather, four pelican crossings at the same junction) that have been painted.

@yetanotherusernameAgain

IT'S NOT A ZEBRA CROSSING! It's a pelican crossing (or rather, four pelican crossings at the same junction) that have been painted.

It is a crossing that frighten people police horses and confuses guide dogs.

I don't think it matters whether it's a pelican, zebra or elephant crossing.

It is disablist

That particular one might be, but others are just stripey bits on the road.

And pelcan crossings have tehir own regs, that that crossing lacks.

Like zig zags and road studs. Road markings should be white etc.

There's a Pelican crossing like that near me. Took an all night road closure to put it in and another to repaint the colours when they had faded over summer.

There's a reason, many reasons, why the legal requirements are all just black and white!

It is a crossing that frighten people police horses and confuses guide dogs.

The video of the police horse wasn't at this crossing.

I don't think it matters whether it's a pelican, zebra or elephant crossing.

It matters because a zebra crossing encourages pedestrians to step out in front of traffic without checking for traffic lights. These particular crossings are pelican, and therefore pedestrians should be waiting for the lights to change. However, the fact that so many people are mistaking these particular stripes for zebra crossings shows the danger of introducing non-standard road markings.

The Isle of Man has just had to take up two non standard painted crossings after someone was killed on one of them and motorists were blithly driving over the other one, as it wasn't as clear.

I am aware that it's not the same crossing - I made it clear in the post where I linked the video.

Not really the point though. Crossings - pelican, zebra (or elephant), are designed to help pedestrians cross roads more safely. Which this fails to do.

Wow. Sickening.

Some of the most extreme child poverty I have come across was in Camden. With families having to battle the local authority for their children to receive enough support for their additional needs.

What is it about trans ideology that encourages organisations to throw out best practice? The amount of care and consultation that is going into a proposed "no left turn" in my area is huge. But if trans people want a completely different crossing at the potential expense of everyone's safety then hurrah!

Everyone is acting like really ineffective parents who are secretly terrified of the entitled brat they've raised.

@Clymene

I am aware that it's not the same crossing - I made it clear in the post where I linked the video.

Not really the point though. Crossings - pelican, zebra (or elephant), are designed to help pedestrians cross roads more safely. Which this fails to do.

I think we cross posted, my response wan't to your eminently sensible post, but the one above, the one that contained the daftness that you too were responding to

Sorry @HoardingSamphireSaurus!

Why did it have to be road markings?

Couldn’t they just paint some lampposts blue and pink or maybe hung some bunting? Was that insufficiently obnoxious? Maybe painted lampposts would be inadequate as a tribal dominance display, by virtue of not inconveniencing or endangering anyone.

People of Camden need to know this... so the 4 or 5 eyesores along Tottenham court road would have cost the same?

How much is a ‘normal’ crossing then? Plus some of these ‘arty’ ones are just on plain crossings where it would have been unpainted anyway.

I wonder how you can find kit countrywide how much this cost? What do these want to achieve? Healthcare, hostels, refuges...? How does wasting £000s on silly crossings (and more) actually help anything?

I think it's time our Local Authorities went back to understanding Law. It might help put daft ideas in their place.