A woman driven out of her therapy group by a trans woman's presence

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10249633/Rape-victim-forced-quit-therapy-sessions-feels-threatened-6ft-trans-woman.html

The other option would be to donate money to rape crisis but with the express permission it is only to be used to find biological women’s groups. Hopefully they will receive the money and spend it as directed. If they refuse the money that would look pretty bizarre. I’m reasonably certain that it would have to be considered restricted funds. Perhaps a charity accountant is lurking and could give more info?

We shouldn’t have to set up women’s only services.

There are already women’s services that are perfectly capable of remaining for women. They have a men’s service and a trans/non binary one already. The women’s one should remain as such.

These services get funds that are for women. It takes a massive amount of money, time, effort and energy to set up such services. Why should women have to shoulder that again only to then be targeted for abuse from TRA’s anyways?

We need to target services that are for women to ensure they fulfil their legal duty to not discriminate against us based on sex.

If anyone here wants to contact the organisation to complain about this, you can do so at @SurvivorsnetBtn (twitter) and [email protected] (email), they're also on Facebook.

I wonder if the person (who drove this women out of a woman’s group) feels any guilt or pity ? Or do they feel hurt and in need of more therapy for being ‘the victim’?

I can’t quite get into the mindset - if I was somewhere when I could see that my presence was scaring people (and my inclusion was not quite in the spirit of the group, and I had alternative facilities specially for me anyway) I would apologise and get the hell out.

We have women's services that have been made inclusive of males at the cost of women's services become inaccessible and unusable by all women.

#FAIL

Women's services should not be entitled to funding unless they can prove they are accessible to all women. This includes the 99% who are female.

Sarah, I desperately want to wrap my arms around you and hold you tight and cry. This is not fair, it is so wrong. I really don't know what else to say to you. Except, thank you for having the courage to tell your story. This is so important, that people hear this. 🤗

@KittenKong - you would leave anywhere that you realised your presence was causing problems because you are a good & decent person. Those that don't leave in such circumstances are either:

a) very thick-skinned and just don't notice
b) don't care
c) enjoying the reactions they get.

I know which I think predominates.

This is so tucked up. It’s every misogynist’s dream.

We will never give up though.

Strength and solace to you Sarah - you are not alone

You're a brave woman Sarah, thank you for bringing this into the public eye.

[quote Rightsraptor]@KittenKong - you would leave anywhere that you realised your presence was causing problems because you are a good & decent person. Those that don't leave in such circumstances are either:

a) very thick-skinned and just don't notice
b) don't care
c) enjoying the reactions they get.

I know which I think predominates.[/quote]
I think it’s more that women are socialised to put other’s feelings before our own and men are socialised to put their feelings before others.

Yes they might get a kick out of it or not care or not be aware or a combination, but more so they are entitled to think of themselves before everyone else because that’s what male socialisation teaches them.

The very proof that transitioning has zero impact on male behaviour is the evidence of entitlement that remains firmly unchanged in all areas. Whether that entitlement is for the sexual thrill they get from making women uncomfortable or whether it’s just plain old entitlement to put their feelings and wants above anyone else’s needs it’s all the same at the end of the day. Male entitlement.

@IamSarah You are getting some followers and retweets on Twitter.

You might wants to contact BBC Radio4/Woman's hour - Emma Barnett has very very good on Sex v Gender. Possibly an email, where you can give more detail?

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3xyZd5NjJZmN7WztP96vCG/contact-us

Sall Groover (founder of giggle) has tweeted about this.

mobile.twitter.com/salltweets/status/1464889437284753412

I know she got a hard time on here for her previous stance, but I think that she really is on women’s side in this. I love her tweet below.

mobile.twitter.com/salltweets/status/1464510167207190531

First time I have ever commented on Mumsnet. I'm so angry. Every bio woman in the land must withdraw from any women's group allowing Transwomen. If necessary we can create our own informal groups,this is the only way to win back our female only spaces.

Sorry for your experience Sarah 💐

@IamSarah

I’m so sorry. What a bunch of bastards. You’ve done nothing wrong.

@sloanerangerpandora

You sound like a transphobic bigot.

You sound like a cruel, ignorant, heartless misogynistic femphobe @sloanerangerpandora .

You sound like a transphobic bigot.

You sound like a misogynistic bigot.

@Doubletoilandtrouble

I think that sloanerangerpandora is an excellent example of what’s wrong with parts of our society,

Woman: “I have been raped and sexually abused as a child. I cannot bear sitting in group therapy with a biological male”

Poster: “Transphobic bigot”

Can this be any clearer? This poster has been deleted on FWR before. It takes quite a lot for TRAs to be deleted so we are probably dealing with a “delightful” poster.

They're clearly an incel and abuser.

@IamSarah I’m so sorry that you had need to use these services at all, and then you were traumatised again by a male in your group.
Fuck the handmaidens enabling this. They are absolute traitors. Beneath contempt.

Was going to report Sloane but I think that comment should stand do ppl can see there are no depths to which TRA won’t sink

The OP is a rape victim. I suggest avoiding responding to unhelpful comments that are intended to be even further unsupportive to her than this service has already been.

sloanerangerpandora arrives to prove the point. The man's rights movement. Men get angry when they don't get their own way. Although the words transphobia bigot mean pish all these days. That's what happens when words are redefined.

I don't normally report posts, preferring them to stand as evidence of the utter disdain for women exhibited by TRA's, but as Sarah is actually commenting on this thread, @sloanerangerpandora is being particularly cruel and unpleasant.