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The New Statesman and The Guardian

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FindTheTruth · 24/11/2021 16:36

The New Statesman magazine Journalist Sarah Manavis is on twitter to her 18k followers saying that the TRAs who doxxed JKR did nothing wrong. Retweeted by Owen Jones to his 1M followers. The magazine and the Guardian did not report on the story of TRA's doxing JKR.

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FindTheTruth · 24/11/2021 16:36

this magazine is part of The New Statesman Media Group who say "The stories shaping our world are urgent but should be covered with care. We should deeply understand anything we cover for you. Our audiences know we would rather research the topic and be honest in our assessments, than reach for an instant opinion or a polemic."

The New Statesman has form on 'covering with care'; egregious articles mentioning JK Rowling, one of which praises Judith Butler
www.newstatesman.com/?s=jk+rowling

New Statesman Media Group Limited, currently has 2 active directors according to the latest confirmation statement submitted on 5th August 2021. Mr. Peter John Danson and Mr Kenneth Appiah

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ArabellaScott · 24/11/2021 16:48

Ah, victim blaming works especially well if you can imply the victim is rich/privileged and therefore deserves to be doxxed.

Clymene · 24/11/2021 16:50

Successful women absolutely deserve hatred.

KimikosNightmare · 24/11/2021 16:51

Sarah Manavis is very dim.

Many country houses and estates have their own wiki pages.

The Scottish Government codified the "right to roam" but it is very clear that there is no right to roam in the curtilage of a private house.

J. K Rowling's house in Edinburgh is not a tourist attraction of any kind.

KimikosNightmare · 24/11/2021 16:53

@FindTheTruth

The New Statesman magazine Journalist Sarah Manavis is on twitter to her 18k followers saying that the TRAs who doxxed JKR did nothing wrong. Retweeted by Owen Jones to his 1M followers. The magazine and the Guardian did not report on the story of TRA's doxing JKR.
I see Ms Manavis' tweets are protected.
nauticant · 24/11/2021 16:54

Sarah Manavis has protected her account. This, even with missing tweets, gives some idea of how it was going:

twitter.com/helenlewis/status/1463548617655042067

Forgotthebins · 24/11/2021 17:02

Owen Jones again dismissing the possibility of empathy for a woman who disagrees with him, I see. Even when she has been harassed outside her private home.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/11/2021 17:08

Sarah Manavis doesn't sound very nice and has restricted replies in a cowardly way but as people on Twitter have pointed out she will get all the flak and the male retweeters like LOJ and Billy Bragg won't.

girafferafferaffe · 24/11/2021 17:10

How can she say it's a tourist attraction?!

I'm a huge potter/strike fan. Didn't once google where she lives to go there.

Why? Because it's not a tourist attraction. Harry Potter world is.

MonsignorMirth · 24/11/2021 17:11

What does "why right now?" mean? Why did the stalkers choose now to publicise their stunt, or why did jkr choose now to respond to it? Am I the only one that can't make sense of this?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/11/2021 17:12

I think she's implying that it was a cynical move by JKR, that she didn't care if people knew where it was usually.

Phobiaphobic · 24/11/2021 17:44

Another reminded to ignore the begging emails from the New Statesman.

DecayedStrumpet · 24/11/2021 17:51

The New Statesman is great! Gives way more space to GC views than the Guardian. I mean, not loads, but at least they're not TWAW NO DEBATE about it.
Just because one of their journalists is a bit dim doesn't make it the editorial line.

MonsignorMirth · 24/11/2021 18:08

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I think she's implying that it was a cynical move by JKR, that she didn't care if people knew where it was usually.
So has her address been shared in similar circs on Twitter before? I don't understand.

It's a direct response, now, to someone posting a threatening and doxxing tweet, now. That's why "now".

KimikosNightmare · 24/11/2021 18:14

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I think she's implying that it was a cynical move by JKR, that she didn't care if people knew where it was usually.
J K Rowling actually has no more say than anyone else who owns their home about who knows their address

All ownership information on the Land Register is publicly available, on payment of a very small fee, and is searchable by name or address. No reason is required for carrying out a search.

KimikosNightmare · 24/11/2021 18:22

So has her address been shared in similar circs on Twitter before? I don't understand

It's a direct response, now, to someone posting a threatening and doxxing tweet, now. That's why "now".

There were loads of articles about the street in Merchiston which at one point had JKR, Ian Rankine and Sandy McColl- Smith living in it. The exact numbers weren't given but if any of them had bought their houses in their own names, rather than under a company name, then the information about what each of them owned is available from Registers of Scotland.

I understand the complaint about intimidation. I'm not sure I understand the complaint about doxxing unless the house isn't in her name.

RoyalCorgi · 24/11/2021 18:31

We know that the reason for them tweeting the picture with her address in full view, in the full knowledge that she'd had thousands of death threats, was to frighten her. What other motive can there have been?

These three people, along with defends like OJ and this Manavis person, are evil. There is no there other word for it. They are happy to endanger a woman's life for having the audacity to stand up for women and girls. They deserve to rot in hell.

AnyOldPrion · 24/11/2021 18:31

So has her address been shared in similar circs on Twitter before? I don't understand.

There was something about fans going there and taking pictures.

But there’s a massive difference between that and a demonstration from a group of people representing and (publicising the address to) a wider group, who have collectively sent thousands of death and rape threats within the past year.

Given that transactivists were collectively cheering on the prosectution of Marion Millar for posting pictures of a ribbon on a fence outside someone’s (obvious) place of work, they really are demonstrating just how two faced some of them are.

Frankly, anyone who says it’s fine is being wilfully obtuse.

MonsignorMirth · 24/11/2021 18:40

Oh ok thanks for explaining! Yes maybe it's not strictly "doxxing" but it's definitely intentional intimidation.

KittenKong · 24/11/2021 18:44

Oh that’s who sheher is. Her twitter account is now locked. Can dish it out but cannae take it eh?

KimikosNightmare · 24/11/2021 18:46

@MonsignorMirth

Oh ok thanks for explaining! Yes maybe it's not strictly "doxxing" but it's definitely intentional intimidation.
Yes, I'd agree that's what it is.
SolasAnla · 24/11/2021 18:48

Below is an interesting link on doxxing with definition and what can be found via the internet

www.fortinet.com/resources/cyberglossary/doxing

Their definition :
The word “doxing” (also spelled "doxxing") is derived from the term “dropping dox,” or “documents.” Doxing is a form of cyberbullying that uses sensitive or secret information, statements, or records for the harassment, exposure, financial harm, or other exploitation of targeted individuals.

PacificState · 24/11/2021 18:57

Have to stick up for the New Statesman here. I have no time for Manavis personally but NS has been genuinely heterodox on this issue and publishes Harry Lambert (recent sympathetic piece on Prof Stock), Rachel Cooke and Louise Perry as well as Manavis and other millennial TWAW adherents. It's one of the few outlets that is genuinely trying to allow people to talk about this issue. Proud subscriber here (and Stephen Bush is the best political commentator in the UK for my money and is worth the price of admission by himself).

KimikosNightmare · 24/11/2021 20:05

Doxing is a form ofcyberbullyingthat uses sensitive or secret information, statements, or records for the harassment, exposure, financial harm, or other exploitation of targeted individuals

Information about what property J K Rowling owns, or which might be owned by a company which she owns, is not sensitive or secret.

However, posting a photograph and saying "OMG , here's me outside [insert name of famous person's house]. Wouldn't it be great if they asked me in ! "

is not the same as

"Here's me outside [insert name of famous person's house] - do you want to join my demonstration against them?"

Didn't some idiots do something similar at Jacob Rees-Mogg's home?

FindTheTruth · 24/11/2021 21:14

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Julie Bindel
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THREAD: SO OWEN JONES retweeted this:
It would appear he is saying it is perfectly fine to turn up at somebody's house and encourage others to do the same if it is possible to find that address on the Internet. My address is on the Internet. Everyone

registered to vote has an address that can be found online. This week I had to report very serious threats to me to police, and spent most of Monday morning giving statements. I was worried those sending the threats would come to my house. I think it shows the callousness of OJ

towards women who dares to complain about intimidation and threats from other men. It is my view that he is a misogynist, and I do not understand why he thinks this behaviour is acceptable for a socialist.

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Apart from anything else, her house ISN'T a "major tourist destination". As one who lives in Edinburgh, and is fully aware of where the tourists gather, this is just another lie to justify the nonsense.

Sgathach is a Hufflepuff
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Some of my best friends made a full HP-themed tour of the UK a few years ago, and did NOT go to Jo's house.

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