Stonewall backtrack on removing ‘mother’ from policies

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Let’s hope this is another indication to SW members and everyone else that they don’t know their arse from the elbow, or should that be their man from their woman.

Good. Also good that their incompetence is on display for all to see so their “clients” stop blindly obeying their “expert” advice.

Or as @Leafstamp said 😂

They can see which way the wind is blowing now and they don't like it.

Good.

They're under an awful lot of pressure otherwise why would they abandon one of their sacred cows? I was amused by the fact that Kelley denies such a policy existed - there's a word for that

I'm just glad that some Mumsnetters are archiving things, articles, screenshots because there will be a lot of "we/I never said this" going on in the next few years.

Wonder if the TRAs will cancel Stonewall? 😀

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

Wonder if the TRAs will cancel Stonewall? 😀

I genuinely think they might!

That article felt like gaslighting.

“That’s an old document”

I guess if the Stonewall CEO denies that Stonewall aims for the removal of the word “mother” by saying So, the first thing to say is that we’re not interested in removing or erasing the word “mother” during a R4 Woman’s Hour interview, despite the Nolan podcast confirming that the Scottish Government was told to remove “mother” from its policies, then some pretty quick public backtracking is in order.

The problem is, this practice has already taken hold.

I've recently had a baby and see this frequently. I've already mentioned a few times on this board that my antenatal class replaced the words 'mum' and 'mother' with 'birthing parent' on their literature when I was part way through the course.

Some (thankfully not all) breastfeeding cafés now advertise their services as being for 'breastfeeding and chestfeeding parents'.

Even 'breastfeeding parents' irritates me. Only one sort of parent breastfeeds. Mothers.

Fathers, partners etc. do not breastfeed.

American websites are entirely hopeless - I've lost count of the times I've read an otherwise sensible article about birth or breastfeeding from a reputable US organisation, only to find that the words 'woman' and 'mother' have been carefully removed from the text. Whenever I check, there is usually some indication that the article was updated in 2020 or 2021. UK websites are better, but for how long?

I'm glad Stonewall has changed its policy, but unfortunately I think some damage has already been done.

We never said that. It’s not our policy. If it was, it was old. We love mothers.

This also shows how unprepared Nancy Kelley was for the interview. Surely anyone with an ounce of brains would know the question would come up. I think she answered on the hop and said what was palatable and then some late night shredding had to take place.

Yep @EdgeOfACoin - have a look at the thread from midwives asking women to march for them this Sunday. The word mother only appears once in their posts, swiftly followed by birthing parent. Parent is used instead of mother.

Some of their Facebook posts leave the word mother out altogether.

We are literally being erased by the women whose job it is to support us. Mad.

Congratulations on your baby too

Proof that their policies have nowt to do with inclusion or are necessary for improving things for LGB or indeed T people at work but are all about plucking stuff out of thin air in order to form an arbitrary scorecard. Are any of their DC suggestions/requirements actually independently assessed as being valuable or helpful? What else has been made up on the spot and is now set down in HR policies affecting millions of people?

By “historical” what they mean is “before Nancy’s car crash of an interview on Women’s Hour.”

From David Thomson, of Nolan Investigates Podcast fame - Stonewall telling Scottish Government to remove ‘mother’

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Well it'd as has been said isn't it.

Advice was given. Companies shit in aby staff who isn't lgbt . They become nothing more than validation tools who aren't allowed a single word to describe themselves.

They open themselves to abuse, complaints, law suits the lot. And just when they expect the backing of the people who told them to do it, they are long gone, taking no responsibility whatsoever and now are back tracking on the advice. Mate I could have told u that years ago.

@Clymene

Yep *@EdgeOfACoin* - have a look at the thread from midwives asking women to march for them this Sunday. The word mother only appears once in their posts, swiftly followed by birthing parent. Parent is used instead of mother.

Some of their Facebook posts leave the word mother out altogether.

We are literally being erased by the women whose job it is to support us. Mad.

Congratulations on your baby too

Exactly, and mentioning that on the thread brought out the usual 'oh not this again, look you should only be bothered about what we want you to be bothered about, support our campaign what you want/think isn't as important' And the ever, 'iats just a word, why are you so bothered about just a word, but remember how important words are to some people so we need to change our words to make sure they're OK with how we word things, your views, well meh'.

@Clymene

Yep *@EdgeOfACoin* - have a look at the thread from midwives asking women to march for them this Sunday. The word mother only appears once in their posts, swiftly followed by birthing parent. Parent is used instead of mother.

Some of their Facebook posts leave the word mother out altogether.

We are literally being erased by the women whose job it is to support us. Mad.

Congratulations on your baby too

Thank you, @Clymene! I have a daughter, which has just made me more determined to fight for her protections.

So disappointed by the midwives. I knew that most doulas have been captured by the ideology but it's sad to see midwives going the same way. Fortunately, the midwives I encountered during my pregnancy and birth were good and had not (yet?) departed from biological reality.

have a look at the thread from midwives asking women to march for them this Sunday. The word mother only appears once in their posts, swiftly followed by birthing parent. Parent is used instead of mother

Shouldn't they call themselves "midspouses", then?

@LonginesPrime

have a look at the thread from midwives asking women to march for them this Sunday. The word mother only appears once in their posts, swiftly followed by birthing parent. Parent is used instead of mother

Shouldn't they call themselves "midspouses", then?

Or midparents?

Any woman who finds the term mother offensive or triggering can avoid motherhood altogether.