Pink News explain the difference between Pan and Bi sexual

[PriamFarrl]

twitter.com/pinknews/status/1458908139206623238?s=21

The replies are interesting.

Personally I like pansexual as a concept. I like that people are attracted to others regardless of how they identify. Why shut yourself off from a group?

I still don’t understand how it’s different from bisexual though.

Oh and it seems that otherkin are people who identify as not entirely human.

www.vice.com/en/article/mvxgwa/from-dragons-to-foxes-the-otherkin-community-believes-you-can-be-whatever-you-want-to-be

Seems like a very high maintenance relationship.

@PriamFarrl it's an interesting question and I've never been in that situation. I'm not sure I ever would be because when it comes to women (or did when I was single) like I said I'm into feminine women. A trans man who appears to be a lesbian woman would generally not be a femme-presenting person. They'd present as masc and so likely not be my type.

But if they did by chance catch my eye I don't think I would continue for a couple of reasons. 1) If they were right at the beginning of their journey tbh I'd probably not want to sign up to years of supporting someone through that self discovery, surgery etc so I'd leave it there. 2) If they were already transitioned to male I also probably wouldn't continue as they'd be a somewhat femme-presenting man and as above I like masculine men.

A femme-presenting man as that's what they'd be if I mistook them for a lesbian.

I'm quite literally very binary in my attraction - masculine men and feminine women. I respect everyone but that's just what I fancy.

See, now I’m the opposite - I like effeminate men and butch women. But being proudly effeminate or butch is part of the attraction. I would be really put off by having to pretend to believe an effeminate man or butch woman was actually the opposite sex, or having to tell others this was so. I suppose that make me a bisexual transphobe with a penchant for non-conformity.

Aren’t we constant told by gender ideologues that people are trans just because they say they are though, so they might not transition or present in any way different to how they always did. So a tw may well look like a masculine man and vice versa.

Personally I couldn’t find anyone attractive if they deny my sex, however it’s not like I’d know that by looking at them is it, so I think I’d find it hard to say I’d never be attracted to transwomen as a blanket statement, because I might not realise they identify as trans if they have no visible transition.

@Stiffcondomhat

In the words of Catherine tates Nan: what a load of absolute shit.

That was my response, too.

Why on earth can't they get over trying to negotiate an identity that parses every possible bloody permutation down to the nth degree of invented categories? It's all hypotheticals, isn't it?

Why not just go out and meet people and see if you hit it off?

What is the drive, here?

Sleep with any consenting adult that'll have you, indeed.

@PriamFarrl

twitter.com/pinknews/status/1458908139206623238?s=21

The replies are interesting.

Personally I like pansexual as a concept. I like that people are attracted to others regardless of how they identify. Why shut yourself off from a group?

I still don’t understand how it’s different from bisexual though.

Speaker (with medium length pink hair) is just bigendered bisexual.

Exactly the way that homosexual is homogendered by the 'male lesbian' supporters.

Bisexual is someone who can be sexually attracted to both sexes, so either to a female or to a male.

Exactly the same as any other sexual orientation, each individual shuts themselves off from a whole lot of sub-groups within the sexes

How to add a "P" in the
LGBTQIAP+ ????
So did no-one go the P is taken or will it be we are is going to "reclaim" it
Really can't see the P's not wanting their own special day because as explained the B and the P are different.

The concept
Bisexual = multiple genders = exclusionary and "bad" subgroup of whole class
Pansexual = all genders = inclusionary and "good" whole class

Where did we see that before?

I quite like the pun of being pandemisexual though i.e. attracted to people with whom you have formed a strong emotional bond and it doesn’t matter to you what sex or gender they are. Sort of personality and character first.

@NadiaVulvokov

I quite like the pun of being pandemisexual though i.e. attracted to people with whom you have formed a strong emotional bond and it doesn’t matter to you what sex or gender they are. Sort of personality and character first.

That’s demisexual isn’t it? Which comes under the banner of asexuality. Which is bat shit. It’s just a way of conditioning girls to have sex they don’t want.

I’m almost certainly demisexual, but it’s not a sexual orientation, which for me is straight. Only being able to feel attraction to a man I know very well and can trust is a result of csa and being very introverted. It’s just not a sexuality.

@BloodinGutters But then it wouldn’t be a pun on pandemic?

I think you can be demisexual but have sex and gender preferences too. I know someone who is lesbian and demisexual i.e. no hookups and a getting to know you phase

So it’s obviously useful/important to refer your sex and gender preferences if you have any, when it comes to dating and getting to know people. From the point of view of the people potentially interested in you.

I think there is a lot of utility in the modern labels from the point of view of just the practical process of dating and getting to know people.

Yes, it can be very tied into identities and tribes and politics. But just as a short hand for who is likely to be interested in who it’s much richer.

It's disturbing how they blithely redefine bisexuality as attraction to multiple genders instead of both sexes.
Biphobic isn't it, no one asked us if this change of meaning was okay.

Why on earth can't they get over trying to negotiate an identity that parses every possible bloody permutation down to the nth degree of invented categories? It's all hypotheticals, isn't it?

Especially as it can change weekly, daily, and apparently, minute by minute.

[quote NadiaVulvokov]@BloodinGutters But then it wouldn’t be a pun on pandemic?

I think you can be demisexual but have sex and gender preferences too. I know someone who is lesbian and demisexual i.e. no hookups and a getting to know you phase

So it’s obviously useful/important to refer your sex and gender preferences if you have any, when it comes to dating and getting to know people. From the point of view of the people potentially interested in you.

I think there is a lot of utility in the modern labels from the point of view of just the practical process of dating and getting to know people.

Yes, it can be very tied into identities and tribes and politics. But just as a short hand for who is likely to be interested in who it’s much richer.[/quote]
Except if you're actually a lesbian, in which case, no one gives a shit that's your identity, and many will try to override it.

[quote NadiaVulvokov]@BloodinGutters But then it wouldn’t be a pun on pandemic?

I think you can be demisexual but have sex and gender preferences too. I know someone who is lesbian and demisexual i.e. no hookups and a getting to know you phase

So it’s obviously useful/important to refer your sex and gender preferences if you have any, when it comes to dating and getting to know people. From the point of view of the people potentially interested in you.

I think there is a lot of utility in the modern labels from the point of view of just the practical process of dating and getting to know people.

Yes, it can be very tied into identities and tribes and politics. But just as a short hand for who is likely to be interested in who it’s much richer.[/quote]
That’s preferences though, we all have preferences. Same as the 100s of genders. It’s just personality and personal preferences at the end of the day.

That’s not the same as sexual orientation. Which is legally protected and defined under the equality act. The push for pansexual etc to be seen as the same takes away meaning from understanding of the legalisation, and is a way of forcing change of it by stealth.

@BloodinGutters

Is it really though? Because I would have thought not discriminating against people on basis of who they choose to sleep with and how they come to that decision would be a good thing?

Rather than protecting only people who choose to sleep with x or y group of people?

What confuses me is 'pan' as a prefix means 'all', so a pansexual person is attracted to 'all' sexes. But as there are only 2 sexes, surely it is an inorrect definition? Shouldn't it be 'pangenderist' or something (assuming you belive the gender woo) otherwise the correct term would be 'bisexual'?

I suppose you can't claim to be the most interesting and special person in the room if you are are actually just bisexual.

The awkward fact is the traditional definition of 'bisexual' meaning attraction to both sexes is now 'transphobic' by today's standards, and so to make it more palatable it has to mean 'attraction to two or more genders' which of course makes it the same as pansexual. The impression I get is that you are grudgingly allowed to use the word 'bisexual' because of its historic importance within the LGBTQ+ rainbow, but on the understanding that you are using the new definition as opposed to the classic, 'transphobic' one.You will often see clashes online about whether bisexual is outdated and transphobic because it means 'attraction to two' , with young people tying themselves in knots to deny the root meaning of the term. I think, to be honest, if the genderists had their way bisexual would be a forbidden term and we would all have to use 'pansexual', but I think that even they are leery of getting rid of an entire component of the LGBT especially when bisexual people have been such a huge part of gay liberation (the first pride parade was organised by a bisexual woman.)

From the Twitter responses.

Fifty seconds of nonsensical gibberish

@WeeBisom - great minds think alike!

Except if you're actually a lesbian, in which case, no one gives a shit that's your identity, and many will try to override it.

Unless you were born male. Largely that label has been taken from females to be given to males and celebrated for them, and any female declaring themselves a lesbian is now seen as making a political statement about gatekeeping their vagina from males and not being willing to confirm a male person's gender identity with their body.

Which of course is wholly unacceptable and requires casting out the evil one with the tambourine dancing 'repent' person.

A proper female will announce their proper political purity by naming themselves queer or pan, which means 'not excluding male people as a sex class from my body'.

It's alllllllllllllllll about dividing the world into the righteous and the heretics.

Y'all spend each and every day thinking about your junk and it shows

I'm inclined to agree.

WeeBisom I agree, they are redefining the word because it would look really bad if they removed an entire letter from the LGBT.
Still bad though. I'm not amused that they're telling me that I'm attracted to "genders".

“Why shut yourself off from a group?”

Because you’re not attracted to them? Does there have to be any other reason?

Oh the video in the OP! Behold, a teenager has arrived to teach us about sexuality

Is teensplaining a word? It should be.

I think you can be demisexual but have sex and gender preferences too. I know someone who is lesbian and demisexual i.e. no hookups and a getting to know you phase

That's just a perfectly normal, average approach to sex for a lot of people. Maybe the majority of people.

The idea that it's related to asexuality is completely bizarre. It's also the sort of thing that can change quite often over the course of a lifetime.

The idea that standard sexuality means being up for casual sex is bizarre.