"Assigned female at birth"

[Lyonesse2020]

I have just realised that I was not "assigned female at birth". I was born in the 1970s, so my parents would just have been told "It's a girl!".

When did people start being assigned a sex at birth? And if it was only in the last ten years or so, doesn't that mean that the vast majority of people who have sought transition were never assigned to the wrong sex?

One thing I've never understood about this is that TRAs define gender as a "sense of self". How can anyone assign a sense of self to a newborn baby? Their definitions are completely illogical.

[quote HPFA]I've long ago reached the conclusion that none of these people deep down believe what they're saying.

Here's a perfect example from the Livestrong website from an article about sports bras:

When the novel coronavirus pandemic hit, people assigned female at birth (AFAB) across the globe unhooked their strapless, padded and pushup bras, and chose to maximize comfort over structure.

Clearly whoever's writing this has just absorbed the message that you must replace "women" with "AFAB" without engaging their brain -

in this context saying AFAB rather than woman is actually MORE "transphobic" since it implies trans women wouldn't need to use a bra!

I see examples like this all over the place - I remember an article supposedly about lesbian sex which carefully included the word "penis" many times but the one variant of lesbian sex it didn't describe was any mention of it including two penises!

This whole nonsense is infinitely more irritating when you realise even the people yelling abuse at us for not believing it don't actually believe it either.

www.livestrong.com/article/13764704-effects-of-wearing-sports-bra-all-the-time/[/quote]
I've noticed a few incidents recently of people making a big deal of sex/gender in a way that is apparently at odds with what they believe.
For example, a couple where both were trans and one was pregnant having a "gender reveal" announcement and celebration. Of all people, shouldn't they be the most outspoken against such nonsense?
Another example is a mother who socially transitioned her small child (I watch on in horror as said child approaches puberty) and who just had another baby. Again, big deal made of baby's "gender".

It definitely seems clear there is no consistency or critical thinking involved in this belief system. More a case of gender being seen as this terribly important thing and a bigger deal made of sex stereotypes as a result.

@wanderingsoutherner

Only today someone tweeted an advert for using binders which said "people are helped by using them because they are then seen as their correct gender." If gender has nothing to do with sex and the physical body why would using a binder mean you would be correctly gendered? Surely it's irrelevant?

This whole movement could never have survived without "No Debate". These positions do not stand up to a moment's logical scrutiny.

@Bonnealle

What? I don’t really understand what you are saying? If the midwife said ‘it’s a girl’, then surely that assigns a sex? Your post makes no sense.

Buy yourself a dictionary, luv.

I'm genuinely confused about how gender reveal parties fit into this. Does the sonographer assign the baby's sex when you have your 20-week scan? Otherwise how else do parents know whether they're having a girl or boy before it's born?

When did people start being assigned a sex at birth? And if it was only in the last ten years or so, doesn't that mean that the vast majority of people who have sought transition were never assigned to the wrong sex?
In the last ten years or so, nobody was assigned a sex at birth. Sex would have been observed by the sonographer at 20 weeks pregnant. Or in many cases identified by a blood test at around 10 weeks pregnant.

Well 2 of my babies had blue wristbands and the last one a pink one...so that must have their 'assignment' 😉

@bakingdemon

Sex is not assigned, it is observed. Pretty bloody obvious for nearly every baby.

Yep. I mean I knew my baby was a boy when I saw his penis on the ultrasound.

@Personwithrage

Women don't present differently in cardiac arrest. Cardiac arrest is where the heart stops beating or goes into a state of arrhythmia such that effective circulation ceases. No one is sent home in cardiac arrest, they're unconscious and effectively dead.

Women present differently with myocardial infarction or 'heart attack' which can lead to cardiac arrest. The textbook description of MI/heart attack describes the male experience and presentation. Naturally.

Thank you. I was going to point that out but you beat me to it.

The problem is that a significant number of people don't really know the neaning of the word "assign". And if all this AFAB nonsense continues then tgd meaning of the word will actually change and we will have lost a useful word from our vocabulary. Words matter: assign, woman, tolerance. We need to challenge their misuse

It's almost as if they're making it up as they go along.

Bullshitting with confidence, thats the trick.

It makes me think of religion - you know when the first person says ‘hey, I found these... um... ‘magic glasses...’ then nods wisely ‘so I can know what god is telling us... (waits for next nod) ... ‘no you can’t see them’...

That first person knew...

@Phobiaphobic

I'm genuinely confused about how gender reveal parties fit into this. Does the sonographer assign the baby's sex when you have your 20-week scan? Otherwise how else do parents know whether they're having a girl or boy before it's born?

I'm unsure what it is specifically that you're confused about.

Before birth the baby's sex can be identified. But people who believe in an innate sense of gender, and believe this overrides sex, should surely not believe the identification of a baby's sex determines their gender. Really if they believe all this stuff they should be bringing up their children as gender neutral until the child is old enough to declare their innate gender.
But they don't.

In the 2020s nearly all parents know what they're expecting, as the routine 20 week scan for abnormalities reveals genitalia, too.

I suppose we should be saying afas, not afab. 🤷🏼‍♀️

The more sunlight this sort of thing gets, the sooner it will be discarded. We'll look back on this 'nonsense on stilts' in the same way we look back on the satanic abuse panic or the Rotherham csa scandal, asking: "How on earth was that allowed to happen?!" Or more simply, "Where were the grownups?"

When we are in a world where some practitioners will NOT tell prospective parents the second of their baby (because of suspected sex selection)... it beggars belief.

@WanderingSoutherner I wasn't being serious.

[quote Phobiaphobic]@WanderingSoutherner I wasn't being serious.[/quote]
Then I really don't understand the point you were making.

@Bonnealle

What? I don’t really understand what you are saying? If the midwife said ‘it’s a girl’, then surely that assigns a sex? Your post makes no sense.

Think of it in terms of any other physiological fact about a newborn and you’ll see how nonsensical it is. The baby’s race was assigned to be white. The baby was assigned an 8lb birth weight.