"Assigned female at birth"

[Lyonesse2020]

I have just realised that I was not "assigned female at birth". I was born in the 1970s, so my parents would just have been told "It's a girl!".

When did people start being assigned a sex at birth? And if it was only in the last ten years or so, doesn't that mean that the vast majority of people who have sought transition were never assigned to the wrong sex?

Sorry, that was for PP who was mixing up the word assign. It wasnt meant for most of you!

Little Delirium was AFIU (Assigned Female In Utero) which is even more speciallier* and is clearly part of a different and more glittery group.

*I know that’s not a word.

All nonsense speak to systematically strip women of our rights. Rise up sisters and defy! Plain language stops confusion.

The Dentons document (among other sources) emphasises the need to sneak things under the radar so that wider society doesn’t actually know what changes to policy are being made.

I knew that out there in the real world, a lot of people don’t know what “gender” means (and especially not what gender ideology claims it means). I knew that people don’t know what “critical” means, as in the label “gender critical”.

Now it seems that people don’t even know what “assigned” means. This is not a dig at PP on this thread, more a wider worry about how difficult all this nonsense will be to unravel.

Assigned implies that there is some element of choice - after some thought, we have decided to assign you to the post room. Can they assign you as an animal too?

Who are these ‘they’? Thems sound a bit thick. I can’t say I’d want thems in a medical situation

‘Doctor - quick, she is in cardiac arrest!!’
‘They, THEY are in cardiac arrest!’
‘Who?? Who??’
‘They - THEY!’
‘Who else- this lady...’
‘You mean Non-binary human, possibly... male? Who can tell...’

I had a baby very recently. No one asked me what sex or gender we had assigned to the baby. They all asked if it was a boy or a girl. No one in the doctor mentioned the word assigned. The ultrasound people said 'it's a girl'. I only see this bonkers about 'assigned' online. No one believes it as far as I can tell.

But how can you tell...???

When the midwives weigh the baby and write that down on the baby's notes are they assigning a weight, or simply recording it?

The only thing my babies were assigned was their names.

Did they toss a coin when DS was assigned? I don’t remember.

"Doctor - quick, she is in cardiac arrest!!’

Joking aside, this nonsense causes real world problems and actually endangers people.
Males and females present differently in cardiac arrest.
In healthcare, sex matters.

@Bonnealle

What? I don’t really understand what you are saying? If the midwife said ‘it’s a girl’, then surely that assigns a sex? Your post makes no sense.

? That's observing a sex. Have you had kids? The doc doesn't go, 'hmm, this one will be a girl'.

Its one of a number of trained language tricks that enforces political compliance on everyone, while everyone knows they are speaking... alternative facts, shall we say?

It's like denying that sex is a thing when the politics is absolutely reliant on fixed, sex based thinking.

Yes, important to challenge and challenge again because reality is that sex is a fixed biological fact, it's identified pre birth in most cases and no one is assigned 'female' or 'male', they just are. Gender choices are something the child themselves will inform you of, and it will have nothing to do with their biological reality. Nor should it. Liking pink and sparkly and fairies and ballet for example should have nothing whatsoever to do with biology and named boxes.

I'll await the witch prickers over here, I have a book.

My midwife guessed at DS's sex in-utero based on his heart rate and pattern. Because in her experience female and male foetuses have different patterns of heartbeat - because, biology. That's without getting into chromosomal testing and visual inspection. She recorded it at birth.

@AssassinatedBeauty

When the midwives weigh the baby and write that down on the baby's notes are they assigning a weight, or simply recording it?

The only thing my babies were assigned was their names.

That’s a very good point because the logic makes just as much sense. Systems of counting weight such as metric and imperial are a human invention, as are scales. What of the babies who are on the boundary between 7 lb and 7lb 1, for whom the midwife must make a choice which one to assign?

I am going to use this analogy in future, thanks.

Reckon we can get a group crowdfund going to sue the medical practitioners who "assigned" us as female before we could decide for ourselves?

Seems a bit of an injustice to have been assigned into the sex category which experiences lower average wages, higher chance of rape,/sexual assault/DV, smaller/weaker/less athletic bodies, historic and ongoing discrimination, harsher reproductive responsibilities... and the periods.....etc...

Unbelievable that a Doctor gets to decide which lucky babies get to grow up to be the men and have the world at their fingertips... and which don't.

Yeah.. can we get a lawsuit going? I think some compensation is in order.

@Kendodd

"Doctor - quick, she is in cardiac arrest!!’

Joking aside, this nonsense causes real world problems and actually endangers people.
Males and females present differently in cardiac arrest.
In healthcare, sex matters.

@Kendodd that's really interesting. I never knew that males and females presented differently in cardiac arrest.

I agree that "assigned" female at birth sounds ridiculous. Maybe "I was born with female genitals" would be a more accurate description that would be acceptable to everyone.

Check out the Brook website. It states both sex and gender are assigned at birth.

This is the nonsense that results from a belief that words have no meaning in themselves. Anyone can assign any meaning to any word. So pumpkin darkle bequest manners, if you see what I meek.

Butlerean terminology not medical terminology

I've noticed a couple of TRAs identifying as "Intersex" on their profiles, so I think they're going to start claiming it's not as rare as we all thought...

So pumpkin darkle bequest manners,

It does indeed.

@Bonnealle

What? I don’t really understand what you are saying? If the midwife said ‘it’s a girl’, then surely that assigns a sex? Your post makes no sense.

Assigning implies the midwife picks the sex and designates it to the baby. The midwife observes the sex, she doesn't assign it

Maybe "I was born with female genitals" would be a more accurate description that would be acceptable to everyone.

No thanks - why would I want to describe myself by my genitalia? I am female means exactly the same thing and is less dehumanising.

I never knew that males and females presented differently in cardiac arrest.

Yes, and guess which one is the textbook presentation?
Women have been sent home to die from hospitals in cardiac arrest because they didn't have the standard male symptoms.
Thankfully it happens less now these differences are recognised.

Women don't present differently in cardiac arrest. Cardiac arrest is where the heart stops beating or goes into a state of arrhythmia such that effective circulation ceases. No one is sent home in cardiac arrest, they're unconscious and effectively dead.

Women present differently with myocardial infarction or 'heart attack' which can lead to cardiac arrest. The textbook description of MI/heart attack describes the male experience and presentation. Naturally.

I don’t know the history of the protected characteristic of “gender reassignment” in the Equality Act, but I think that term must be partially responsible for the enthusiastic take up of “assigned at birth”. Setting aside the absurdity of the idea that the midwife assigns the sex of a baby at birth, the whole notion of someone independently assigning a baby a gender (a set of social roles based largely on stereotypes) - so that it then has to be reassigned by that person by taking on the opposite set of social roles and stereotypes - makes no sense to me.