Radio 4 just now (8.47) bonkers conflation of intersex and trans

[oldwomanwhoruns]

Was anyone else just listening to R4? Discussion of the history of 'trans' and the case of Ewan Forbes, an aristocrat born Elizabeth, who was challenged in court over the inheritance of a baronetcy.

About 8.45 am, on the today program (I think)

Complete conflation of intersex and 'trans', woo-woo stance of 'oh we've got it right now'.

Claiming that up to the 1960s trans had all normal rights, and that this court case took all their lovely rights away.

The worst bit (for me) was when they talked about all the poor trans people who used to get raped in prison, not like now, of course.

Contributor and presenter both clearly had no understanding of the difference between intersex (DSD) and trans.

Article in the Times today about the discussions of the claims in the book:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/760484d8-5b8e-11ec-90d0-c463baf3512f?shareToken=709a38944875561513ca3e5cd9e106bb

Cases like this actually highlight a key problem with genderism. As they feel they can't discuss actual sex, they try to use "sex assigned at birth" (or some variation thereof) as a synonym for actual sex.

So in Ewan's case, he would be "AFAB" but actually male. He'd be able to do a "gender recognition" to female, making him look on the records like a transman, but where's his actual sex recorded?

Which leads us into a sort of Alice in Wonderland scenario. In genderland, how would he get that corrected? Would there need to be a "sex assigned at birth recognition act"?

What would distinguish him on a Stonewalled NHS's records from a female person identifying as male?

Genderism in practice relies on the assumption that sex is always recorded accurately at birth. Which is kind of paradoxical...

This genderism immersive fiction keeps colliding with reality and other groups, doesn't it?

People want the right to pretend they're the opposite sex.

Going along with that means appropriating:

a) the target sex - males can claim to be females, so how do females identify themselves?

b) actual sex corrections - people who had their sex correctly recorded at birth can change their sex designation, so how do people with their sex incorrectly recorded at birth identify themselves and record "no, I actually AM the other sex"?

c) actual sex changes - if anyone ever did actually change their sex, how would they distinguish themselves from the people merely claiming they were the opposite sex? At least this group is currently non-existent, unlike (a) and (b), but the trans lot have effectively pre-appropriated their space.

More dismantling of the Playdon book:

Some quick thoughts on Ewan Forbes Sempill and issues in Scots law

Including highlighting an internal contradiction in the thesis:

Prof Playdon in her book appears to allege that Forbes Sempill falsely provided testicular tissue in support of his case. If, as Playdon argues, the correction of a birth certificate was of right for a trans person why was falsely providing male tissue to support a legal argument that Forbes Sempill was intersex necessary?

@NecessaryScene

Dave Hewitt has done a good article summarising the state of this mess, and digging up the archaeology.

It's a thing that Playdon, Whittle and their circle (including former Labour MP Lynne Jones) have been pushing for decades.

The Curious Case of Ewan Forbes

Zoe Playdon aka Zoe-Jane Playdon aka Jane Playdon.

A handsome woman with a formidable academic background and longstanding interest in "trans rights". (Puts me in mind of Jan Morris.)

"A former co-Chair of the Gay and Lesbian Association of Doctors and Dentists [GLADD], in 1994 she (Zoe Playdon) co-founded the Parliamentary Forum on Gender Identity with Dr Lynne Jones MP."

More at:

www.zoeplaydon.com/about

"Gender Identity"?

A little bit of rewriting history there, as in 2005 Lynne Jones MP reported that this was:

The Parliamentary Forum on Transsexualism

"Dr Jane Playdon and I set up the Parliamentary Forum on Transsexualism in 1994. It comprises the UK's leading experts on transsexualism, in both the legal and medical fields, along with a number of MPs. We have been pressing for legal reforms to bring British legislation into line with the rest of Europe and thus end the discrimination from which transsexual people have suffered in this country. I am delighted that, the Gender Recognition Bill received Royal Assent on 1 July 2004 and we now have the Gender Recognition Act."

More at:

www.lynnejones.org.uk/lynne-jones-mp/transsex.htm

I have never interacted with this person on Twitter but I am blocked 😥

twitter.com/zoeplaydon