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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Prostitution: men who pay for sex may be more likely to commit rape and violence

32 replies

Doubletoilandtrouble · 03/11/2021 15:09

www.medicaldaily.com/prostitution-and-sexual-abuse-men-who-pay-sex-may-be-more-likely-commit-rape-350700

We have had some discussions on this board about prostitution. I am massively against the legalisation of this for all the reasons related to the exploitation of women.

I thought this research about the impact on the buyers was interesting. It is a small study but it dispels the myth that men buying sex are frustrated nice guys. They seem to be more likely to commit sexually aggressive acts.

I think that countries where prostitution is legal should look into this and do some quantitative studies.

If the impact is this big, buyers of sex should be put on a special register and subject to enhanced dbs checks.

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SirSamuelVimes · 03/11/2021 15:14

I think the phrase 'no shit, Sherlock' springs to mind here.

A man who sees a woman as a thing he can buy to fuck is not a good man.

A man who sees some women as lesser humans will be more inclined to treat all women as lesser humans.

A man who already thinks it's ok to fuck a woman who doesn't want to fuck him in one situation is going to find it easy to extrapolate that thought to another, different situation.

It's not rocket science.

Doubletoilandtrouble · 03/11/2021 15:18

I completely agree and that is what so many women here have said. But I really liked the fact that there now is research actually showing this.

I think we need follow up studies to really investigate this relationship between sex purchase and violence.

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RachelHasThoseInBurgundy · 03/11/2021 15:20

Well I for one am shocked! Shocked I tell you. Never would have guessed this.

GoGoGretaDoll · 03/11/2021 15:24

Am staggered, maself.

Obviously it's great to have research proving what women already knew and I thank OP for sharing it and the research team for having stomachs strong enough to do it but FFS. We know. Sex work ain't work, consent can't be bought and men who buy sex are nasty pigs.

Doubletoilandtrouble · 03/11/2021 15:26

We all know.

But there are posters on this board who keep talking about how great prostitution is and how empowering it is for women.

I was hoping that they would pop into this thread and comment on this excellent piece of research and give us their views.

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GoGoGretaDoll · 03/11/2021 15:32

@Doubletoilandtrouble oh me! Me! Please! Me! Let me have a go!!

Ahem

"Choicey choicey, empowering, educate yourself, my best friend from college got a degree while lap dancing and laughed at the men and no-one ever touched her vulva, choicey choicey, valid work choice, how dare you shame women, providing valuable service, come the revolution everyone will get an econowife, economic forces, consent is consent, women in control."

How'd I do?

(Sorry. I am in an exceptionally bad mood today.(

Doubletoilandtrouble · 03/11/2021 15:41

No, no @GoGoGretaDoll I think you have summarised it perfectly. And conveniently ignored any trafficked Eastern European women. You did well!

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GoGoGretaDoll · 03/11/2021 15:46
TedImgoingmad · 03/11/2021 16:25

You need to work in some jibes about pearl clutching and vanilla sex @GoGoGretaDoll

TheWeeDonkey · 03/11/2021 18:00

Almost like the real thing Gogo don't forget we're miserable dried up man haters who hate sex, oh and jealous too. Which of course is the only reason women would have a problem with prostitution.

PlanDeRaccordement · 03/11/2021 18:05

I think some research has been done on this before. I remember a study done that the rate of rape, physical assault and murder is exponentially higher for prostitutes than non prostitutes. It went on to say something like all the women they’d studied had PTSD as a result and that almost all would not be prostitutes if there was a way for them to quit.

RocketPanda · 03/11/2021 18:29

Oh well colour me shocked. Who would have ever thunk it.

LizzieSiddal · 03/11/2021 18:41

I think the phrase 'no shit, Sherlock' springs to mind here.

Can’t put it better myself.

NiceGerbil · 03/11/2021 20:38

The article states that the research has various limitations/ caveats which I assume are noted in the study. So, honest and even handed.

I'm in the no shit Sherlock camp as well. Firmly.

Testosterone rex has a lot of interesting stuff on this. Esp around the end note re some who pay it's about emotional connection. Which I was surprised to see included in a book by someone seen as an extreme man hating feminist but there you go!

Paying for sex with men or women is just so rife with massive harm that it needs to be minimised as much as poss.

Not normalised and celebrated FFS.

Awalkintime · 03/11/2021 20:56

Paying for sex is rape so talk about stating the bleeding obvious. They are all rapists.

Thelnebriati · 03/11/2021 21:28

I've never liked the 'prostitution prevents rape' myth and now we have evidence to counter the lie.

Fallingirl · 03/11/2021 21:37

[quote GoGoGretaDoll]@Doubletoilandtrouble oh me! Me! Please! Me! Let me have a go!!

Ahem

"Choicey choicey, empowering, educate yourself, my best friend from college got a degree while lap dancing and laughed at the men and no-one ever touched her vulva, choicey choicey, valid work choice, how dare you shame women, providing valuable service, come the revolution everyone will get an econowife, economic forces, consent is consent, women in control."

How'd I do?

(Sorry. I am in an exceptionally bad mood today.( [/quote]
Very good, but you forgot ‘agency’ and ‘moral panic’.

MurielSpriggs · 03/11/2021 21:38

@Doubletoilandtrouble

We all know.

But there are posters on this board who keep talking about how great prostitution is and how empowering it is for women.

I was hoping that they would pop into this thread and comment on this excellent piece of research and give us their views.

Yes, this research seems to be providing evidence for the obvious.

I'm not really getting why you think it undermines the position that prostitution is empowering. Unless those who take that position also think prostitution is risk-free?

NiceGerbil · 03/11/2021 21:54

Sorry not following Muriel.

My fault I'm sure!

How do you mean about it not being info that undermines the empowering view?

KimikosNightmare · 03/11/2021 22:13

I think the phrase 'no shit, Sherlock' springs to mind here

It's not a laughing matter but that did make me smile as it's exactly what was going through my mind.

KimikosNightmare · 03/11/2021 22:20

On a slightly more serious note it supports the case that prostitution is not only bad for the women directly involved but is bad on wider societal grounds because of the normalisation of brutality.

MurielSpriggs · 03/11/2021 22:20

As I understand it the "empowering women" view says prostitution provides women with a lucrative "employment" option that they can take or not as they please? This evidence doesn't alter that. I don't think it even has anything to say about the level of risk that prostitutes face (and anyway, I don't know that the "empowering" people deny the risk). It just says that the group of men who beat up prostitutes overlap substantially with the group of men who commit all sorts of crimes against other women.

No shit Sherlock, as others have said.

NiceGerbil · 03/11/2021 22:32

This whole topic is v involved polarised emotive etc but in the years I've been reading arguments and seeing news studies etc

One of the really interesting thing for me is how when men talk about it- and I mean men who come to argue it's fine etc.

Is the massive difference in how intercourse is viewed by the men and the women they are disagreeing with.

And I suppose linked to that is the usually bizarre ideas about the motivations of women who say it's a really bad thing.

The men without fail see sex acts as not a massive deal. Like a massage. Doing some gardening. Etc. A straightforward physical thing with no difference to other things.

The women are coming at it from the pov of. Amongst other things. That being penetrated whether mouth vagina anus can be uncomfortable. Painful. Can cause injury. Risk of STDs. Risk of man bigger stronger taking what he wants. Using full strength. That sort of thing.

Similarly I can't speak for all but I'd put money on most women having the view that have due to empathy. Knowing what men can be like. Knowing that penetration can be painful. That men sometimes don't care. That with their strength things can be.. even more painful. Etc.

But the common view is it's about jealously of sexy women/ fear men will stay/ that sort of thing.

Interestingly when men irl and on here talk about being paid for sex it's always. Money for fucking hot women? Yay!

The question what about a man twice your size penetrating you. Never gets a straight answer. IME.

With such different - understandably different probably- views of sex acts. I can't see how to get through. And the lack of any empathy is v worrying.

MargaritaPie · 03/11/2021 22:33

@Doubletoilandtrouble

www.medicaldaily.com/prostitution-and-sexual-abuse-men-who-pay-sex-may-be-more-likely-commit-rape-350700

We have had some discussions on this board about prostitution. I am massively against the legalisation of this for all the reasons related to the exploitation of women.

I thought this research about the impact on the buyers was interesting. It is a small study but it dispels the myth that men buying sex are frustrated nice guys. They seem to be more likely to commit sexually aggressive acts.

I think that countries where prostitution is legal should look into this and do some quantitative studies.

If the impact is this big, buyers of sex should be put on a special register and subject to enhanced dbs checks.

Source for the OP link is Melissa Farley, whose evidence on the matter was once IIRC dismissed by a judge in Canada. She has also openly admitted she has an agenda and was in favour of criminalisation even before she done any "research".
NiceGerbil · 03/11/2021 22:39

Muriel- ok gotcha.

The poster I can think of who often argues that it's AOK has more than once used this argument-

Selling sex is a transaction revolving around consent. If the man breaches that consent- to the agreement- or violence etc. Then that's s crime and doesn't fall under the definition of prostitution.

Ditto if there is trafficking coercion etc. That's not an agreed consensual transaction. Therefore also cannot be under definition.

In essence. Anything bad that happens should not be included in any conversation analysis of prostitution.
They are crimes and come under that heading.

Useful that.