‘Gender assigned at birth’

[DraintheBlood]

What’s the evidence base for this?

When school claim it’s from the NHS website then what do I counter that with so they comply with the ‘medically factual information and evidence base’ that the d of e updated guidance insists on?

I’ve sent ssa & tt links. Everything else is fixed but this is bs. It’s only something that’s addressed if other kids bring it up, but even then I think it matters that this is clear and in line with guidance and don’t want brushed of with passing the responsibility onto nhs website as if that’s enough.

Help please.

'Oh what a tangled web we weave/When first we practice to deceive'

You may not find the magic bullet quote, Drain and instead have to walk the school through the process of how we got to this point. Maybe the best you can do is to get the school to think 'minefield' rather than waltzing into it unthinkingly.

According to the style guide sultana posted, the NHS website makes a special concession when talking about 'sex' to an audience who is looking for information about gender identity and dysphoria, that it will not use elsewhere, eg when talking about sex-specific cancers.

Why they make this linguistic concession and who encouraged them to make it would be very interesting to discover. I would put good money on it being GIRES and/or Stonewall because it is definitely not medical or scientific or actual reality based thinking. I wonder if it is FOIable?

It uses activist language like 'assigned' to appease a group which has not only tried to rewrite the meanings of 'male', 'female', 'men' and 'women', the most fundamental building blocks of society, but also co-opted the language of the intersex community to do so.

"We use the phrase "sex assigned at birth" when we're talking about trans health and gender dysphoria, as this is the language our audience uses.

It reminds me very much of Helen Joyce saying about gender ideology trying to make 0=1 and people not seeing the potential knock on consequences if they give ground in just one area. It's the 'genderist tail wagging the medical dog' territory.

In other cases, we use "the sex someone was registered with at birth" because user research shows that most people understand this better as it refers to an actual event.

I feel your frustration because when my oldest suddenly began to identify as trans a few years ago, they pointed to the NHS page on gender dysphoria, then with assertions such as puberty blockers being reversible, as if it were gospel truth.

A family member is a psychiatrist so was able to challenge it from a medical and scientific point of view but they have found their Royal College to be equally captured, using the activist language and pathologically resistant to change.

I just think it makes the RCPsych look really scientifically dim when they talk in their position statement about being 'assigned' anything at birth.

If it is hard for adults to get to grips with, what chance 10 year olds...

How would you get them to think minefield? How would you walk them through it?

The d of e updated guidance is rather redundant if schools can ignore it by saying ‘but nhs say…’

I guess maybe that’s useful to learn while my kids are in primary before we tackle arguing with secondaries though.

Could the NHS answer a FOI as to how they assign a gender ot the birth of a baby?

If they state that this is what they do, it would be interesting what criteria are used, or if it is arbitrary based on number for that day?

How would you get them to think minefield? How would you walk them through it?

That they are using language that was specifically aimed at gender reassignment and if they use it outside that context they could be (reasonably accused of) messing up children's essential sex education?

I think you get them to see the issues by continuing to ask for a written response to questions, particularly the tough ones like:

What is the precise definition of 'gender' you will be teaching my child?

How is 'gender' different to sex stereotypes, which have traditionally disadvantaged women and girls - and how will you make this distinction clear to children in Y5/6?

Why are you using this inaccurate word 'assigned' - co-opted from people with DSDs - when we know sex is determined at conception, discernible in the womb and observed and recorded at birth?

Not all people have something called a sexed soul or 'gender identity'. I don't, for example. How will you be making sure that children are aware that they don't have to subscribe to this particular belief system?

It is well documented that social contagion has been a significant factor in the spread of many self-harming behaviours such as anorexia, cutting, suicide etc. How are you planning to protect children in the class from potential iatrogenic harm when introducing the topic of gender dysphoria?
gdworkinggroup.org/2019/09/13/is-gender-dysphoria-socially-contagious/

If a girl in y5 or 6 is starting to think that she may be same sex attracted, would you consider her to be 'transphobic' if she stated that therefore she would not be attracted to boys who identify as girls?

Sorry if it's on here and I've missed it - does anyone have a link to the DofE guidance please?

Now that I am home! and not talking shit on a motorway.

This is quite a useful article, but I don't know if it will help you?

www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363

This really winds me up. I've done hundreds of baby checks. I've taught scores of junior doctors how to do baby checks. Assigning a gender is a pile of made up rubbish by people who don't have a clue what we do.

How exactly is gender assigned at anything?

“Oh Mrs Smith, it’s a beautiful baby girl! Oh - and she loves pink, sparkles and.... my little pony! Congratulations!”

So went through all this again & sent follow up email. Am more angry than I thought as it is worse than I thought at first glance, breeches the guidance in more ways than I had realised previously.

At the moment, if the response isn’t satisfactory, I def feel like we will put in formal grievance copying ofsted.

From what I read on gov site it says ofsted have updated their criteria for assessing schools to take into account the updated d of e guidance, but I also can’t find the details of how this changes how they assess schools. Does anyone know/have a link?