Why doesn't Bridget Christie get it?

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Guardian interview today:

www.theguardian.com/stage/2021/oct/20/bridget-christie-flashers-penis-horrible-menopause-comedy-female-anger-comedian

She talks about how awful it was to be flashed. She talks about the experience of menopause. And then she gets onto Ricky Gervais:

'Gervais, meanwhile, receives her ire for his efforts to be an “edgy” comedian, and his use of transphobic tropes (“I’ve always identified as a chimp,” he says in Humanity). “It’s the same joke over and over again,” she says. “Or some joke about toilets. Just let people go to the fucking toilet.”'

Why doesn't she understand it's not just about the "fucking toilet"? That it's also about the fucking changing rooms, the fucking prisons, the fucking sports, the fucking rape crisis centres?

If she can understand that women have a distinctive physiology that makes their experience different from men, why does she think it's possible for men to "identify" as women?

Has she missed the torrent of sexual abuse and death threats aimed at women who dissent from this ideology?

[quote ArtemesiaK]@MonsignorMirth When I look at an old thread like that, August 2020, I just can't believe that I had no idea that any of this trans stuff was going on! I'm not sure whether I'm pleased that I found out about it or not, sometimes it feels a bit of a burden....[/quote]
An 'old thread' in August 2020!?!
That seems like yesterday to me - It's the ones from pre 2018 that amaze me! Think I started posting here around 2019. It's amazing how long this has been going on for.

And, I should mention, I've barely seen a single person from 'the other side' engage properly in questions, answer them directly. The few that have presumably been honest have tended to be the 'old school' transsexuals and the odd trans man that doesn't want to get involved in the identity pol side.

There are a few posters who have been 'in the middle' as well. Been interesting to see how their posts change or not.

Why doesn't she understand it's not just about the "fucking toilet"? That it's also about the fucking changing rooms, the fucking prisons, the fucking sports, the fucking rape crisis centres?

Strategic ignorance.

Cognitive dissonance as well, but all these cowards are pretending not to know what the real issues are, so that when the juggernaut has turned, they can quickly jump on board and claim they didn't realise, they were just trying to be nice, if they'd known what they know now of course they'd have spoken out, not kept their heads down like the Mitläufer they are.

They think we'll forget. And to be fair to them, most will.

I don't know where or when I read this or whether I did or not, but I have the impression that I read ages ago that they are very close to someone who is trans and are doing everything possible to be supportive.

That's what I think I read anyway but it's so long ago, I can't be sure.

Way before the sex/gender wars I listened to Bridget Christie's radio 4 show about feminism thinking it would be up my street. I had to turn off after ten minutes when it was clear her idea of feminism was slagging off other women (tabloid celebrities and the ilk) of whom she didn't approve. She is a classic 'not like other girls' lib fem pick-me.

That seems like yesterday to me - It's the ones from pre 2018 that amaze me! Think I started posting here around 2019. It's amazing how long this has been going on for.

Check out the "TERF" thread someone bumped last night - still on the top page. That was from 2014. It's fascinating.

Some very prescient posters there, pointing out that women wanting female examiners would be transphobic...

It was all happening in 2014, just many people hadn't come across it yet.

7 years and still Laurie Penny doesn’t get it (from that 2014 thread).

Oh dear, another deletion. I'll be getting a reputation. I'd better educate myself....

@FKATondelayo

Way before the sex/gender wars I listened to Bridget Christie's radio 4 show about feminism thinking it would be up my street. I had to turn off after ten minutes when it was clear her idea of feminism was slagging off other women (tabloid celebrities and the ilk) of whom she didn't approve. She is a classic 'not like other girls' lib fem pick-me.

I had exactly the same experience. And, as I said somewhere upthread, I'd already read the Bic jokes made by other people on B3ta way back when, so she's not even original about it. It's a pretty bad look when her husband is constantly accusing other comedians of stealing his material.

"Not like other girls" is definitely her shtick. It's all so very hollow.

Looking forward to defensive jokes about this thread turning up in a future routine by one of them though. Hi Stewart and Bridget!

Honestly, I really don't think they understand. It's purely lazy, tribal thinking - the confusion of transness with gayness, as another poster put it. They don't realise that trans activism is fundamentally at odds with gay rights, they don't know about the cotton ceiling or gay erasure. It's the product of a lifetime of seeing politics in black and white thinking: left = good, right = evil, zero nuance in between. For my part I once swallowed the same bullshit. I've always loved SL and secretly hoped he'd come out as GC, but I got involved in this debate in 2015 and since then I've liked his contempt for people who think differently less and less. It's very anti working class, for a start... And I also started to wonder how he could square his belief in political correctness and various other leftist sacred cows with the idea that you should be able to say anything you like to piss off religious people or the right. I laughed myself to tears at his "gaping a**s of Christ" routine once upon a time, but it won't be so funny ever again now I know he's bent the knee to the gender theists.
The left have all their own sacred cows and alternative facts but they're too far up their own arses to see that. Lee's whole career has been built on that double standard and on a bad faith interpretation of the arguments of those he doesn't agree with, so he can essentially be a dick under the guise of actually being a decent person. I don't think we can expect a change of heart from him any time soon; it would require the sort of self-reflection middle-aged men aren't often very good at.

She’s fucked for credibility with GC feminists which is not a small number of women who likely were fans/would have seen her shows... But maybe she’s done the maths and decided the libfem audience/cancellation avoidance is more profitable/easier. This interview plus her husband’s anti GC list and putting an anti FGM campaigner in the bin gives us the peep behind the curtain - a pair of judgmental self-serving hypocrites raking in cash and enjoying their gilded life in their home in Clissold Park, unaffected by these issues and how they play out for the rest of us.

GET IN THE BIN!

Well said @KittyLeMew. Yeah audience for feminism lite is probably bigger - and wealthier. Although I'm more leftwing than ever , I must admit to reassessing people I once dismissed out of hand. And looking at privileged people who claim to be leftwing with a more unforgiving eye. I am no longer quick to take people at their own valuation.

I think when women don't get it it's often because of their middle-class, intellectual ability or reasonably stable life privilege. They find it hard empathise with people who don't have their choices, don't understand that they have a cervix, and have been repeatedly abused, for example. It's not so much a case of not caring for other women, it's a case of not being able to step back from their own world and have any empathy. The fact that she thinks this is all about toilets suggests also that she does not understand what the ideology is actually aiming to achieve. It's a degree of arrogance TBH.

BC doesn’t seem like typical middle class privilege which is why it’s confusing for me. She left school at 15 or something, she worked for the Daily Mail for years, she’s a Catholic and a feminist. She seems like she really thinks about things but yet obviously doesn’t. You understand more of the media set or younger generation who are privately educated then redbrick university then internships and have been indoctrinated through their peers/culture/the internet etc.

At this point, I think that anyone who is still of the 'TWAW and anyone whose opinions deviates from this is just a bigot' school of thought are just lazy thinkers who haven't bothered to look into this, or are too afraid to look into the issue because they are scared of what they will find and that they will no longer be able to spout this nonsense with a clear conscience.

I can't forgive the women who say I'm a terrible bigot because I'd like incarcerated women to not have state sanctioned rape added onto their sentences.

I can't forgive them.

BC and the Guilty Feminist and Suzie Ruffell and all the others. Madeleine Albright had a good turn of phrase of where these women will land up.

Because her careers depends on her not getting it…..

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

I can't forgive the women who say I'm a terrible bigot because I'd like incarcerated women to not have state sanctioned rape added onto their sentences.

I can't forgive them.

BC and the Guilty Feminist and Suzie Ruffell and all the others. Madeleine Albright had a good turn of phrase of where these women will land up.

Well said.

Do you know I've seen Bridget Christie several times, I've got her book, she used to do a whole bit about women being targets to male predators... but we should be grateful because at least it's better than xy and z country like Afghanistan, with zero women's rights. It was a very funny show, I loved it.

Anyway, her show was ALL about feminism and women's rights and she spouted statistic after statistic, her book is the same - it's right next to me! She even had a bit about some famous F1 pundit saying women didn't have the capacity to be in F1. So what on earth does she think about what is happening in Women's Sports?

Everything she said in her stand up should have her hitting the fucking roof.

Haven't been a fan of Stew Lee's for many years since he deliberately turned unfunny.

Because like many other women in the public sphere she is all about money. Career suicide to actually tell the truth. They prefer to subscribe to the liberal feminist mantra.

It's a variation on the well-known Upton Sinclair quote:

It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

This is true. But I wonder if there comes a point when you're forced to get it? I remember in An Uncomfortable Truth Al Gore talked about his dad, who was a tobacco farmer, not "getting" the harm that tobacco did until his own daughter developed lung cancer.

I wonder if Christie was flashed at by a male person in a dress in a women's changing room, rather than by some random bloke on the street, whether she would "get" it then. Perhaps not. Perhaps she'd just go, "Oh look, it's a poor vulnerable trans woman."