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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Even Conservative Woman is Supporting Kathleen Stock

72 replies

Tesla73 · 19/10/2021 12:59

I subscribe to this newsletter not because I'm conservative but just because they cover issues that left wing media liked to ignore and this is quite a good supportive article

www.conservativewoman.co.uk/why-this-leftie-feminist-deserves-our-support/

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SkippettyDoDah · 19/10/2021 13:06

Why 'even'?

GrimDamnFanjo · 19/10/2021 13:14

The Tories have been more supportive than the other mainstream parties...

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/10/2021 13:48

Agree with others. It's Conservative women who have actually stood up and spoken out. Labour women seem to be too busy shoehorning rapists and sex offenders into women's prisons and hospital wards, keeping silent while colleagues like Rosie Duffield are hounded.

Imnobody4 · 19/10/2021 14:13

Agree that Conservative women have shown themselves to be true supporters of women's rights, they've continually spoken up for left wing women.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 19/10/2021 18:37

Oh dear. It's true. The Conservative party is the only major political party that doesn't toe the TWAW line. Almost as if it knows what most people think about men exposing themselves in women's changing rooms, and wants to be re-elected.

ErrolTheDragon · 19/10/2021 18:57

Many conservatives are also quite strong on defending free speech.

Childrenofthestones · 19/10/2021 19:15

Am I the only one here old enough to remember when the left were proud defenders of free speech?

Warmduscher · 19/10/2021 19:17

@Childrenofthestones

Am I the only one here old enough to remember when the left were proud defenders of free speech?
I do vaguely remember that time but as I get older I wonder if, like many things these days, I just imagined it.
MoonlightApple · 19/10/2021 19:25

Well it’s nice to have proof that people who’s politics you disagree with can still be perfectly decent human beings!

ArtemesiaK · 19/10/2021 19:49

Hmm, some nasty misogyny in the comments, from poor put upon blokes.....

WanderingSoutherner · 19/10/2021 20:01

@Childrenofthestones

Am I the only one here old enough to remember when the left were proud defenders of free speech?
Does it maybe depend on who's in power, who has the "mainstream" position? The need for free speech comes sharply into focus when you're in the minority position.
Chersfrozenface · 19/10/2021 20:06

One could always wear a T shirt with a dinosaur in suffragette colours.

Oh shit, that's bastarding Barney.

Chersfrozenface · 19/10/2021 20:06

Oops. Wrong thread. Sorry.

pickingdaisies · 19/10/2021 20:09

And yet it's strangely apt, Chers! Grin

vaginafetishist · 19/10/2021 20:19

Conservative Woman has been a consistent critic of trans ideology.

Kosmin · 19/10/2021 21:01

It doesn't sound that supportive to me.

He writes: "Radical feminist academic versus ‘queer’ fanatics – okay, they probably deserve each other" and then proceeds to largely focus on rapid onset gender dysphoria in teenage girls.

The comments are a bit less charitable:
"The "trans' cause came out of the feminist movement itself which nurtured the very idea that "gender" is fluid and sex unimportant. The "queer" movements they supported as allies have come back to bite them as it turns out they follow through on "deconstruction" of female just as feminists do Male.
As Melanie Phillip's pointed out way back in the '90s in Sex Change Britain feminism is essentially an ideology of adolescent teenage girls who never grow up, and we have handed over great swathes of public policy to their capriciousness where feelings are sovereign and facts and science are patriarchal or even toxic masculinity.
Professor Stock and her ilk spawned this lunacy, perhaps they might now bestir themselves to combat it."

"these exhibitionist weirdos have been enabled by 50 years of feminist gender grievance studies. Radfemz say men and women are essentially the same thing, it's all gender. Sex differences, for them, are not a basis for differentiation.

Most normal men might agree with you, but there's b' all we can do. Mens voices on these matters have been silenced. No male politician dares go against the flow."

"Miss Stock's feminism asserts that women are like men in all but a few immaterial anatomical differences. Along comes a bloke in drag transwoman asserting he's a woman in all but a
few immaterial anatomical differences, and Miss Stock and the sisterhood are all "how very dare you". Qui Verbum Dei contempserunt, eis auferetur etiam verbum hominis."

"You reap what you sow. This harridan has been happy to undermine men, cause division and resentment between the sexes. Has, no doubt, trumpeted the 'rights' of women to murder babies in the womb, to neglect their children in favour of careers and to reject secure family relationships.

The feminists would be perfectly happy for the trans movement to continue uncontested if they hadn't suddenly realised that it would have an impact on female spaces and sports. I note most of their grumbling is about male to female transitioning not female to male. The radical feminist movement are just p'ed off that 'wimmins issues' are now less important in the hierarchy of minority victimhood than trans rights."

Gncq · 19/10/2021 21:07

Yeah.... Those comments are from men who have never obviously read any second wave or thereabouts feminist literature. It's completely misrepresenting the radical feminist viewpoint, but frustratingly men do seem to think it's all PoMo Judith Butler and fourth wave bullshit from the late nineties.

They're right though, a lot of "feminists" do support gender ideology. It's no wonder everyone's confuse.

Gncq · 19/10/2021 21:09

I subscribe to Conservative Woman too despite joining momentum for a while BC I'm that left wing. we all have regrets...

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 19/10/2021 23:50

I subscribe to Conservative Woman too despite joining momentum for a while BC I'm that left wing.

Once that would have boggled my mınd, Gncq. Now ıt makes perfect sense.

I always hated Thatcher’s claim that “There’s no such thing as society”. The essence of antisocial selfishness. But it’s also the essence of identity politics. That’s why I’m stunned by the left getting caught up in all that me-me-me-me-me stuff.

Now it’s Tories who are speaking up for women’s rights. And it’s Labour/ Greens / LibDems who assert the right of the loudest-shouting individuals to enforce obedience to their personal demands. Strange days.

LobsterNapkin · 20/10/2021 00:52

@Childrenofthestones

Am I the only one here old enough to remember when the left were proud defenders of free speech?
I remember that. Imagine the heady days when the ACLU didn't promote censoring books!
dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 20/10/2021 00:57

@SkippettyDoDah

Why 'even'?
There's also 'Conservatives for women' and their views are totally spot on www.conservativesforwomen.org/
NiceGerbil · 20/10/2021 02:42

There's a conservative women thing that's been banging on about this for ages. Assume same publication.

NOTE: conservative WOMEN.

this is an issue for WOMEN. All of us. Shocker conservative women care about women's spaces etc. I mean why the fuck wouldn't they? They are WOMEN first and foremost.

The party political squibbling gets on my nerves.

Esp the apparent RULE that only left wing people can be Feminists.

And this weird idea. Posted a lot.

That if lefty women turn away from labour and this is a /the reason. That they WILL be voting conservative!

Which indicates a really iffy view of women, the depth of our political views, that sort of thing.

I mean seriously just fuck off. Telling us we're shallow flakes isn't going to win anyone over!

Will read link now.

NiceGerbil · 20/10/2021 02:45

Only managed two paras!

It's not the publication I was thinking of at all!

Yerk. Teenage girls are a capricious species are they?

Fuck off self proclaimed heterosexual white man!

The bit I read before giving up was just. Well. Awful in a host of ways!

NiceGerbil · 20/10/2021 02:48

I think it was the one just posted I have seen on here before.

www.conservativesforwomen.org/

Zero mansplaining about girls being a different species... (VERY telling comment) and apparently everyone knows they are capricious....

'Meaning of capricious
formal
1: changing often and quickly
capricious weather/winds
especially : often changing suddenly in mood or behavior
employees who are at the mercy of a capricious manager
2: not logical or reasonable : based on an idea, desire, etc., that is not possible to predict
The court ruled that the punishment was arbitrary and capricious.'

No thanks piss off.

DdraigGoch · 20/10/2021 08:06

@Childrenofthestones

Am I the only one here old enough to remember when the left were proud defenders of free speech?
It's astonishing that the very people who once sneered at Mary Whitehouse have become her.
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