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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Great Daily Mail article re: Prof.Stock

48 replies

Saltovinegar · 16/10/2021 17:37

Masked mob demand trans row professor is sacked in campus protest www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10098351/Anonymous-trans-mob-defend-cloak-dagger-crusade-against-feminist-professor.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead

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Saltovinegar · 16/10/2021 17:38

Lot's of sunlight and a fantastic own goal. Comments are good as well.

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Skysblue · 16/10/2021 17:42

Apparently the students are masked because they want to protect freedom of soeech without running the risk of being thrown out of the university.

Not good at spotting irony, are they.

Hope this is all over soon. The ‘anti terf’ wars seem to very specifically go after the careers of successful women. Is beyond creepy.

They should get arrested imo. Breach of peace, slander, harassment… But no one cares because the victim is a middle aged woman.

merrymouse · 16/10/2021 17:43

No one wants to lose their place at university, but we don't want to sacrifice our right to defend ourselves with our words.

Sounds a bit confused here. If he is exercising a legal right there is no need to hide his identity.

On the other hand the university might want to check his A-level results.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 16/10/2021 17:44

The bit that stood out for me there was the student officer saying that students felt ‘intellectually threatened’ by her. If I said someone made me feel intellectually threatened I would mean I was afraid I was not as intelligent as them and that I feared my beliefs would not stand up to their arguments. It’s not something I would want publicly known.
What does this person think it means??!

merrymouse · 16/10/2021 17:46

He said that part of his motivation for joining the campaign was as a result of his parents' reaction to announcing he wanted to transition and said their negative views were informed by online stories by Stock.

I don’t think Stock has said anything about girls transitioning that hasn’t been reported on Newsnight.

Eyesofdisarray · 16/10/2021 17:46

Ms Jones appears to be a little economical with the facts there.
And the hiding behind masks!?!?
Absolute irony @Skysblue

merrymouse · 16/10/2021 17:49

She reiterated trans students feel 'intellectually threatened' by Prof Stock

Maybe university isn’t a suitable environment for people who want to feel intellectually safe?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/10/2021 17:53

Every parent will recognise this as a typical teenage reaction to parents having views their teenagers disagree with. It used to be that going to Uni was part of the process of growing up and being able to see your parents as independent adults and not simply horrid meanies stopping their children having fun. Is this not happening any more?.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/10/2021 17:54

Sorry - that was in response to merrymouse and this comment:

He said that part of his motivation for joining the campaign was as a result of his parents' reaction to announcing he wanted to transition and said their negative views were informed by online stories by Stock

Angrysaurus · 16/10/2021 18:35

Those students should be thrown off of their courses. They're not mature enough to be there.

BraveBananaBadge · 16/10/2021 18:44

Yes, Amelia Jones on Politics Live was the first time I'd seen someone pressed to admit that accusations of being made to feel 'unsafe' were an intellectual rather than physical threat. That's one hell of a difference.

These students are a bunch of clowns. "Plausible deniability" my arse.

SickAndTiredAgain · 16/10/2021 18:48

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel

The bit that stood out for me there was the student officer saying that students felt ‘intellectually threatened’ by her. If I said someone made me feel intellectually threatened I would mean I was afraid I was not as intelligent as them and that I feared my beliefs would not stand up to their arguments. It’s not something I would want publicly known. What does this person think it means??!
That’s what I was going to say as well. I have absolutely no idea what they mean when they say intellectually threatened. Do they perhaps just mean that they are being disagreed with.
ArtemesiaK · 16/10/2021 18:50

The mob didn't seem that big, especially as they didn't have far to go. I suspect a lot of students disagree with them and are keeping their heads down. They're probably embarrassed to be associated with the silly little kids, but scared to speak out...

ItsRainingProstateOwners · 16/10/2021 18:56

The masks, it's not meant to be threatening.

Hmm

The bit that stood out for me there was the student officer saying that students felt ‘intellectually threatened’ by her.

I bet they are! She’s a philosophy professor with an OBE and a much-lauded, bestselling book. They struggle with constructing coherent sentences.

Saltovinegar · 16/10/2021 18:59

Well two of them have identified themselves, if the powers that be at Sussex University have any backbone there should be two less students in attendance.

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GoWalkabout · 16/10/2021 19:02

The economist has an article on stock and one on the WPATH doctors (Marci Bowers) (belatedly) 'warning' about puberty blockers which is entitled 'Anatomy of a Scandal'

EdgeOfTheSky · 16/10/2021 19:16

No one wants to lose their place at university, but we don't want to sacrifice our right to defend ourselves with our words

Sez the utter numpty who wants Stock to lose her place at the University and not express her right to give her views in words….

Are they really so dim?

MassiveHoard · 16/10/2021 19:20

The lack of critical thinking on display is astonishing for university students!

yourhairiswinterfire · 16/10/2021 19:20

Are they really so dim?

Yes.

EdgeOfTheSky · 16/10/2021 19:28

@ItsRainingProstateOwners

The masks, it's not meant to be threatening. Hmm

The bit that stood out for me there was the student officer saying that students felt ‘intellectually threatened’ by her.

I bet they are! She’s a philosophy professor with an OBE and a much-lauded, bestselling book. They struggle with constructing coherent sentences.

Not to mention struggling with the difference between fact and fiction, no notion of backing up your claims with research or evidence, and absolutely no capacity to self-reflect and identify a glaring irony.
TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 16/10/2021 19:34

@EdgeOfTheSky

No one wants to lose their place at university, but we don't want to sacrifice our right to defend ourselves with our words

Sez the utter numpty who wants Stock to lose her place at the University and not express her right to give her views in words….

Are they really so dim?

Their dimness is enhanced by their being spectacularly self centred.
secular111 · 16/10/2021 19:35

I don't reckon 'intellectually threatened’ can be viewed as a new phenomena.

When Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection, which we know as the Theory of Evolution or Darwinism was being argued-for, notably by Thomas Huxley in his famous debate with the Bishop of Oxford, Samuel Wilberforce on 30th June 1860 at the Oxford University Museum, it could be said that Huxley was challenging those who could claim to be 'intellectually challenged'.

And indeed Darwin was himself subject to efforts to what we now know as 'cancel culture'. Huxley though, like JKR and its appears Dr. Kathleen Stock, was un-cancellerable; that is, they simply can't be stopped.

Trans-genderisms core belief that individuals can change sex, despite the scientific impossibility (at present that is) of doing so, often gets compared to Flat-Earth Theory. And the two beliefs are often compared, not least because both depend on the rejection of critical thinking.

So to some degree the masked protestors can claim a legacy, going back to Bishop Wilberforce, back further perhaps to The Inquisition who tried Galileo Galilei - who were definitely 'intellectually challenged'.

EerilyDisembodied · 16/10/2021 19:39

I was there today. It was considerably more than 15 students, masked, hooded, chanting very loudly and leafletting anyone that walked past (it was busy, it was an open day). It was pretty intimidating.

CatsOperatingInGangs · 16/10/2021 19:40

I never thought I’d say the words “thank goodness for the Daily Mail” but here we are. I am very grateful for them, like the Nolan podcasts, doing proper journalism on this subject.

mafsfan · 16/10/2021 19:49

@EerilyDisembodied

I was there today. It was considerably more than 15 students, masked, hooded, chanting very loudly and leafletting anyone that walked past (it was busy, it was an open day). It was pretty intimidating.
What were campus security doing? Surely the university don't want all these prospective students to see this as their experience of the university! That's far too much £££ to risk losing!
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