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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Word Mother removed from Scottish governement Policies

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Igneococcus · 15/10/2021 06:34

In the Times:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3c959dba-2d2e-11ec-a548-f9bb1ebf6985?shareToken=813627b8a0c3148e479c1a80ef7f5130

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andyoldlabour · 18/10/2021 12:12

I hope the Times is not going the same way as the Guardian and Independent.

McDuffy · 18/10/2021 12:58

If they are, I will cancel my sub, and it's £26 so not small change.

malloo · 21/10/2021 17:30

can anyone help me out with a link to the policy where the word mother has been removed? I've looked on Scot Gov website and can't see anything. I'm going to write to my MSPs about this but I wanted to refer to the original document. I'm sure I've seen it linked to somewhere but can't find it now!

MamsellMarie · 22/10/2021 07:30

The Times articles are good but why are Scottish papers not covering this - I suspect it's because they are pro independence, this reflects badly on the greens and SNP. Also I haven't come across info on ANY other country going down this path - there was an article in a Canadian paper but I think it was based on the Scottish news item.

MamsellMarie · 22/10/2021 07:33

@Teaandcakeordeath83

My work has removed the word mother from their "parents policy". The only time mother is mentioned in the whole policy is once- in reference to "surrogate mother"- I assume that's an oversight though. They've done the same with the menopause policy. This was all based on the recommendations from the Stonewall WEI feedback from last year.

For context I work for a national (England) NHS trust.

I presume father has gone too. @Teaandcakeordeath83
EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 22/10/2021 07:35

@malloo

can anyone help me out with a link to the policy where the word mother has been removed? I've looked on Scot Gov website and can't see anything. I'm going to write to my MSPs about this but I wanted to refer to the original document. I'm sure I've seen it linked to somewhere but can't find it now!
Is it worth contacting forwomenscot to ask this?

forwomen.scot/

MamsellMarie · 22/10/2021 09:07

www.mygov.scot/maternity-paternity-parental-leave
www.gov.uk/working-when-pregnant-your-rights
I always struggle with the Scot gov stuff, am never sure that I am reading the latest info.
These two refer to employees and pregnant employees and parental leave. Not mother or fathers.
Don't mothers and fathers get different leave? Seems it could get complicated.

MamsellMarie · 22/10/2021 09:09

According to the Telegraph it is maternity policies. But I assume other doc will be changed too.

Teaandcakeordeath83 · 22/10/2021 12:29

@MamsellMarie. They refer to birth father's once and that is in the shared parental leave section. Again I assume it escaped their notice.

I'm writing to the diversity and inclusion work team to raise my concerns. There's other policies such as an inclusive language guide which gives the choices of sex as male, female or intersex. This reference to "intersex" alludes to it being a third sex/ outside the binary when we scientifically know that "intersex" or those with DSDs, as most prefer, are still either biologically male or female. There's also a part that references sex assigned at birth which is nonsensical as science tells us sex is allocated at conception. Sex assigned at birth conflates sex with gender. You can't change sex. That's before I even get onto the menopause policy that states 3 in 4 people experience menopause symptoms.... 🙄

HollowTalk · 22/10/2021 12:43

@KittenKong

I Listened to a very interesting podcast about lobotomies. Absolutely fascinating - a respected ‘treatment’, used until scarily recently.
I think I'm going to be requesting a lobotomy for myself if all this shit goes on any longer. It would be better to be completely unaware of it.
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