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Father Claims Daughter Was Sexually Assaulted by Male Student in Girls' Washroom at School

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Tesla73 · 13/10/2021 16:53

Loudon County School Board strike again

4w.pub/fath-accu-school/

since this reported in a few places - absolutely shocking the way concerned parents are being treated

www.rt.com/usa/537321-loudoun-school-bathroom-assault/

www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2021/10/virginia-school-board-hid-bathroom-assault-to-protect-transgender-policies/

loudounnow.com/2021/10/11/mcconnell-letter-cites-loudoun-school-board/

loudounnow.com/2021/10/13/parents-students-press-for-reform-in-schools-handling-of-sexual-assaults/

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Mumsnut · 16/10/2021 09:41

this story is now front and centre in the Daily Mail. I can practically hear Middle England peaking

AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 16/10/2021 10:06

Good. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 16/10/2021 10:14

@TheWeeDonkey

I did listen to a really upsetting BBC podcast about how often serious sexual assaults are covered up in British schools, colleges and universities. I still can't believe that these institutions are able to deal with things like rape in house! It beggars belief.
Sexual assaults/rape happened when I was in school. One of the first huge scandals that was broken by a Sunday newspaper was our local schools.

I am devastated that nothing has improved all these decades later.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 16/10/2021 10:38

the predator transgender student or person simply does not exist.

Off the top of my head: Karen White, Barbie Kardashian, Amy Gray, Keira Fitzgerald — all these TW predators exist and their crimes have been recorded.

Look on transcrimeuk.com. You really don’t have to make any effort to find records and convictions of numerous violent sexual predators who are trans.

TheWeeDonkey · 16/10/2021 10:46

It seems like Scott Zeigler is denying trans existence as well as being an accessory to a crime against a child.

I wonder which is worse?

AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 16/10/2021 10:56

@TheWeeDonkey

It seems like Scott Zeigler is denying trans existence as well as being an accessory to a crime against a child.

I wonder which is worse?

Hmmm. Not really a fair contest, is it?
NecessaryScene · 16/10/2021 10:58

Look on transcrimeuk.com. You really don’t have to make any effort to find records and convictions of numerous violent sexual predators who are trans.

They certainly exist far more than the trans murder victim.

TheWeeDonkey · 16/10/2021 12:19

Not at all Alfonso but there will be people who question it I'm sure.

How he's not been charged it don't know. Actively covering up such a horrendous crime against someone you're employed to safeguard is surely a criminal offense?

AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 16/10/2021 13:17

@TheWeeDonkey

Not at all Alfonso but there will be people who question it I'm sure.

How he's not been charged it don't know. Actively covering up such a horrendous crime against someone you're employed to safeguard is surely a criminal offense?

It's not the issue of criminal offence; it is the worse crime of wrong-think and we all know which is worse.
AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 16/10/2021 13:18

Should have worse only once in my post. You choose which one you prefer!

Tesla73 · 18/10/2021 17:18

Very good point made here and its what we see here in the UK too with the deafening silence over the rape threats female lecturers are getting and even someone as big as JKR

www.dailysignal.com/2021/10/15/womens-groups-silent-on-loudoun-school-rape-allegations/

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AccidentallyOnPurpose · 18/10/2021 22:39

If anyone ever doubted that there really is an agenda and that this is being aggressively pushed through any means necessary, this case makes it fucking obvious.

It's witch trials all over again.

teezletangler · 19/10/2021 01:46

Blocked and Reported covered this case on the podcast this week. It's a good listen.

JS made the point that ultimately a lot of people really don't care about women and girls getting raped, and this case proves it. We often see it stated on here that it will take something really serious happening for people to wake up. But to any sane person it surely doesn't get much more serious than this, and there is radio silence from the mainstream media. So what will it take? I worry that nothing can stop the self-ID juggernaut.

BulletandtheBullseye · 19/10/2021 08:24

Hadro it not only still happens now but (some) schools activity facilitate it with their policies letting boys in girls toilets and punishing staff or pupils who don’t accept and tolerate this.

Anyone know the rules about posting schools policies here? A good rated school we’ve seen recently has a policy that would do this. It’s a school that has an autism unit also so takes in a larger amount of kids with send needs/funding for that. And a non statutory policy that leaves children at immediate and serious risk directly because of this policy is what they choose to spend that funding on.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2021 08:28

My mum reads the Daily Mail online. She rolls her eyes at me when I mention anything GC because she thinks it's too ridiculous to give any thought to, but is well informed about all the top GC stories on a regular basis.

She is currently staying with us. Yesterday we watched University Challenge where Sussex got hilariously trounced and I mentioned Kathleen Stock in passing and she knew all about it.

Needmoresleep · 19/10/2021 09:44

Eresh, I started reading the Mail after my son was born and my concentration was shot. I could read a whole paper and drink a coffee in the 20 minutes whilst Tellytubbies distracted my son.

Later I read the Guardian and Mail on line and enjoyed the compare and contract, with an occasional eye roll of "they would say that wouldn't they". The three or four days after Corbyn were fascinating. It was almost as if the Mail felt he was too easy a target so held off, whilst the Guardian was struggling to work out their editorial line. My perception is that this is when people like LOJ and Ash came to the fore, and the Guardian became an increasingly irritating read. Not necessarily because of what they wrote but the tone. Readers were expected to agree, with no room to dissent.

At about the same time the Mail changed editor and shifted a bit to the centre. Things to remember are:

  1. The Mail has been fighting for press freedom for a long time, since the "Daily Fail" days of advertising boycotts and the like. (Murdoch newspapers as well, which may have contributed to the Times also being willing to run GC stories.) Even now, when I look for the Mail coverage for a Times story (as share tokens run out after a day or so) Google seems to boost Guardian coverage, with the MOL link only showing up on the second page, despite the latter having a far higher readership.
  2. The Mail needs a lot of content, so covers a huge range. You may well find your mum also knows more than is healthy about Joe Swash (I still am not sure who he is, but am over informed about his life), random influencers (DH is baffled by my ability to keep up with DD on a range of post-millennial topics), Geronimo (did their journalists have a summer competition to see who could write the most OTT story), Meghan Markle (though hopefully they have started to tone this down), and much more.
  3. Their US readership is surprising large, though I suspect that many, like me and other British readers, largely skim for distraction, as in Wall Street traders scrolling the side bar of shame and pondering the latest adventures of obscure British soap stars during their coffee break. GC stories, for those not overly engaged, provide the ideal eye-roll "stop the world I want to get off" content. The NYT has gone the way of the Guardian, and other well known US papers can be a disappointing read, so perhaps the Mail, by providing reasonably straight up journalism on Loudon county and similar topics, become an important information source for those who sit between the big left and right divide in US politics/media. Apparently the Mail's ability to update stories quickly, including using reader input, means that they can be the go to source for information when a tornado or other natural disaster hits a US region.
  4. The Mail is still irritating, but, for me, in a manageable way. They need so much content that rather than expect you to agree with them, they regularly contradict themselves. A recent favourite was an article condemning artificial shortages caused by panic buying followed by one warning about supply chain problems for pigs in blankets. (Even as an agnostic I struggle with the idea that pigs in blankets are essential to celebrate the birth of Christ.) Articles which hint of power struggles within the Tory party can also be interesting. This is the paper the membership reads.

A bit of a long essay, really to say that the Mail''s US reach, their online accessibility, and their willingness to report GC stories should be an important source of sunlight.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 19/10/2021 09:51

Bullet - I've no idea about posting policies but the coercion you describe is horrendous.

ElizaDarcysDeeds · 19/10/2021 10:11

Every UK politician's office will know the contents of the Daily Mail too. It has a massive readership and they can't afford to ignore the stories the general public are consuming.
This entire issue is worse than Saville; Kids Club and PIE combined because it has elements of all of them - ignoring assaults; lack of scrutiny and accountability of campaigners and charities; push to decouple children from parental responsibility. And thanks to social media, it's all playing out in the open. It's completely brazen.

Needmoresleep · 19/10/2021 10:22

Yes, but the ability of parts of the Labour Party to ignore what is in front of their noses is extraordinary.

The "cervix" story is a good example. The average reader will have been spluttering over their cornflakes at the idea that a good proportion of the shadow cabinet don't know that women, and only women have cervixes. Yet somehow Keir does not seem to have noticed that his stance will not help win back the red wall. .

AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 19/10/2021 10:34

The Daily Mail has enormous reach - it is the third-most read newspapers in the UK and had a circulation figure of 960,019 in 2021, after only Metro and The Sun. The Guardian, by contrast, has a circulation figure of 108,687.

The Mail is also courageous enough to open its articles for comments. The Guardian stopped doing that (except for restaurant reviews and recipes and a few non-controversial topics) a long time ago.

I read The Mail and The Guardian as well as other newspapers.

AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 19/10/2021 10:35

Oh, and I should add that I find The Guardian's stance about "big business" and "deep pockets" and all that other nonsense hypocritical, given as how they draw their funds from the enormous Scott Trust and George Soros.

Champion of the people, my arse.

AccidentallyOnPurpose · 19/10/2021 12:28

@ElizaDarcysDeeds

Every UK politician's office will know the contents of the Daily Mail too. It has a massive readership and they can't afford to ignore the stories the general public are consuming. This entire issue is worse than Saville; Kids Club and PIE combined because it has elements of all of them - ignoring assaults; lack of scrutiny and accountability of campaigners and charities; push to decouple children from parental responsibility. And thanks to social media, it's all playing out in the open. It's completely brazen.
What makes it worse(and more terrifying )than all of them combined is that they have backing from governments, political parties, police, schools, officials responsible for safeguarding etc. You can lose your job, have police at your door,taken to court and so on for speaking out against it.
BulletandtheBullseye · 19/10/2021 14:42

Thanks hadro.

I read back the policy & it’s way worse than I remember.

I think I’m going to post it in it’s own thread, to avoid derailing this one. I’ll probably nc, because I signed up (I lurk here normally & tweet) because I wanted to ask about my kids school pshe & there’s possibly some details in those threads someone could identify me from, & therefore identify which secondary this policy is from. And I think I’ll avoid that so schools privacy is respected (and hopefully won’t be deleted because of that). I’ll choose another distillers nickname & with title should be obvious which thread it is. I’d really appreciate your input if you don’t mind reading it. Anyone on this thread who is angry or upset by the news story in the op should read it. Because it makes it glaring obvious that some schools are actively facilitating this in uk also. The school has already be named on everyone’s invited.

I’ll quote sections of the policy, no identifying names, but nothing taken out of context either. So nothing cut short or used in the wrong place to amplify horror or obscure meaning either. It will read like satire but I assure you it’s real.

Will try to post by end of the day.

I’m ‘lucky’ my daughters ehcp means we have first choice of schools, because this is our local one. Rated good by ofsted. So I don’t need to worry about what happens to my daughter at this school at least as it was on the no way in hell list anyways.

We are in an area of the country that has an excellent reputation for schools, top 20% for exam results mostly, good or outstanding ofsted ratings for most schools, many schools over subscribed so parents in the catchment area for this one likely won’t have any choice but to send their kids here as they won’t get a place at other ones. It has an autism unit and takes in a larger % of kids with send issues than many other secondaries here. Which makes it all the more insidious.

Ty to any one who reads it. I thought I was now unshockable when it comes to gender ideology issues, having started reading when my kids were born. But this policy is shocking. It’s non statutory policy as well, so they’ve not unintentionally failed to safeguard kids because of staff shortages and not enough time or money. They’ve actively gone out their way to use resources to put girls at risk. And their ‘inclusion officer’ was so incredibly proud of that fact.

nauticant · 21/10/2021 13:23

Jesse Singal has been looking into the coverage of this situation and makes some interesting points:

twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1450937128909692934

His overall take, which I agree with, is there should be focus on where wrong-doing has actually taken place rather than trying to present all of the aspects as being sinister.

nauticant · 25/10/2021 22:54

Things are starting to happen in this case. Today there was a court hearing:

twitter.com/chiproytx/status/1452751581640802304

Other things are going on as this case begins to gather momentum:

en-gb.facebook.com/vastanleylawgroup

Interest in this case has spread so far, including coverage by conservative media, that even the mainstream media have started to report on it.