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Send a copy of Kathleen Stock's book to Sussex Uni Library

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PeriChristmas · 13/10/2021 05:54

https://uk.bookshop.org/books/material-girls-why-reality-matters-for-feminism/9780349726601

Go on!
Maybe send one to your MP too?
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secular111 · 13/10/2021 11:32

My DH sent a copy of Helen Joyce's Trans to the head of a Gender Faculty of a London University that has been encouraging incel behaviour by its students, through the Sex Matters distribution facility. I was rather impressed! He isn't an alumni of the uni, but has professional friends who are. I only found out when he showed me the email from Sex Matters confirming the the copy had been despatched.

I'd be disturbed if the library at Sussex Polytechnic (I refuse to call is a 'university' any more) threw away a contributed copy of a book. Wouldn't that be a particularly bigoted action?

I would though certainly contribute to sending a copy of Material Girls to recipients if Sex Matters wanted to follow-up on the huge success of the campaign with Helen's book. I think an awful lot of such potential recipients would find it disturbing to find that Dr. Stock's book is remarkably balanced, well-written and certainly not transphobic - as in, no-one can actually quote a single transphobic sentence or paragraph that is transphobic inside its 320 pages. It's a book about women's rights, or rather, girl's rights, and the importance to ensure that crucial decisions are taken with sufficient consideration and peer-review.

If discussing women-and-girls rights is now being deemed 'transphobic', then I guess it will be classed as such, but is that what the TRA's are seeking? It appears they are managing to make that association in the eyes of the social media community and increasingly, amongst the general public. Are they though really thinking what the consequences of doing that are - notably they are encouraging way more opposition from more than just the GC community?

Although I enjoyed (is that the word?) Helen's book, I reckon it was missing an absolutely crucial element; an index. I hope a second edition - I'm sure they'll be an updated edition - includes this.

The hardback edition of Material Girls is currently #90 in the Amazon UK Bestseller list and of course number #1 in the Feminist Bestseller list.

Trans is #31 in the Best Sellers in LGBTQ++ listing (it does after all discuss the rampant homophobia promoted by the TRA's).

Looking through the 'Trans' bestseller list (Shon's book doesn't get a look-in) I noticed, and subsequently ordered Trans: Gender and Race in an Age of Unsettled Identities published in 2018 by Rogers Brubaker which is apparently, judging by the reviews on the back cover, a plea for transracialism to be promoted equally with transgenderism. Seeing as Dr. Stock's former union, UCU, has has managed to draw intense attention to its national policy of promoting self-identification as black, Brubaker's book might be a good insight into how the transracial cause is being apparently adopted by at least a sub-set of TRA's. It certainly helps to go some way in explaining why Dr. Stock is feared so much, as the likes of her (mostly white) academic opponents would be terrified that she will turn her attentions to studying transracialism. It seems that the ultimate desire for the TRA lobby is to extend the self-id ethos into being able to self-id/colonise another racial identity - enscapulated by the UCU national policy.

I'll post a review after it is read.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 13/10/2021 11:37

‘I'd be disturbed if the library at Sussex Polytechnic (I refuse to call is a 'university' any more) threw away a contributed copy of a book. Wouldn't that be a particularly bigoted action?’

Oi - polytechnics weren’t just inferior universities, they delivered education with a different focus, sometimes extremely well.
If you want to insult Sussex by saying it doesn’t deserve to be called a university, sure, but that doesn’t mean it gets to be called a polytechnic.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 13/10/2021 11:40

How do we feel about dubbing it 'Sussex Seminary'?

ComprehensiveTea · 13/10/2021 11:41

If somebody from Sex matters reads this, please do something with Material Girls similar to what you've done with "Trans". Pleeease? It would support Dr Stock both morally and (presumably?) financially (if only a little bit, book royalties being what they are).

Or if somebody on this board is in a position to mention this to them? Or even any other organisation that might be interested in doing something similar?

NoNotMeNoSiree · 13/10/2021 11:44

@Helleofabore

Just if I was to receive one that's what I'd do as I would view it the same as those unwanted pamphlets.

I take it that you probably don’t read any of the links and studies we post too then. I guess that explains the posting style over the years then.

Yes I do read them, and not sure what you're trying to get at with the last part of your post Confused
Onyernelly · 13/10/2021 11:44

I’ve sent a card to Kathleen - thank you to whoever posted the Uni address.
Hopefully a visible influx of support will help Kathleens Uni to see how many people stand with her.
I purchased the book when it was first released. It is Excellent.

GingerPCatt · 13/10/2021 11:56

I've worked in several academic libraries and, in general, we didn't add donated books to stock unless it was something we were desperate for. It has nothing to do with personal or political beliefs. In fact I used to take home some donation as I wanted to read them.
Libraries will keep an eye on how many times a book is reserved and may purchase more copies if they think its necessary.

KittenKong · 13/10/2021 11:56

Oh I missed the address - can someone please repost it?

Onyernelly · 13/10/2021 12:08

Here you go…

Send a copy of Kathleen Stock's book to Sussex Uni Library
secular111 · 13/10/2021 12:10

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

How do we feel about dubbing it 'Sussex Seminary'?
I did suggest elsewhere that Sussex be regarded as a religious seminary. It's rejection of science certainly justifies it's adoption of such a name.

I think it fits perfectly 'Sussex Seminary' rolls-off-the-tongue so well!

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 13/10/2021 12:21

Motion carried!

Sussex Seminary it is!

PaleGreenGhost · 13/10/2021 12:41

Seminary always makes me think of the word semen.

Maybe that fits too.

CousinKrispy · 13/10/2021 12:47

Agree with Pineapple Wilson. Academic libraries will have collection policies and procedures and don't just gratefully accept any book that is sent to the. Contacting the library and saying "I have a copy I'd like to donate, are you interested?" is more likely to be effective than sending random parcels.

I'm all for supporting Dr Stock but simply sending an unsolicited donation to an academic library isn't likely to have the impact you're hoping for.

CousinKrispy · 13/10/2021 12:50

I've crossposted with several other knowledgeable library people on here besides Pineapple!

PeriChristmas · 13/10/2021 17:09

@CousinKrispy

Agree with Pineapple Wilson. Academic libraries will have collection policies and procedures and don't just gratefully accept any book that is sent to the. Contacting the library and saying "I have a copy I'd like to donate, are you interested?" is more likely to be effective than sending random parcels.

I'm all for supporting Dr Stock but simply sending an unsolicited donation to an academic library isn't likely to have the impact you're hoping for.

Send it to someone else then. Or don't 🤷🏽‍♀️
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PeriChristmas · 13/10/2021 17:10

@Onyernelly

Here you go…
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maslinpan · 13/10/2021 21:07

Don't you think LOJ would probably like a co

maslinpan · 13/10/2021 21:07

A copy...

PeriChristmas · 14/10/2021 09:58

@maslinpan

Don't you think LOJ would probably like a co
Who is LOJ?
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YourMummyIsGC · 14/10/2021 11:12

Hi, I work at Sussex and I'm really sad to see that some posters are calling it a 'seminary'. I can't blame you but there are many of us who support Prof. Stock. However, it's really not easy to say so publicly in our institution. I have already said this on another thread but it pains me to see our reputation go up in flames when so many colleagues are doing great work in so many areas, whether that's in research, student support, learning technologies, keeping our campus running. We also worked hard to support students during the pandemic and we received awards for it. If all this hard work is now trashed because of a bunch of self-righteous activists, then that's just a tragedy. Again, I can't blame anyone for getting a very bad impression.

PaleGreenGhost · 14/10/2021 11:20

LOJ? Stands for Little Owen Jones. Youtuber. Guardian columnist. Might as well be a fifth columnist as well, for all the damage he's doing to that paper and the Labour Party.

PeriChristmas · 14/10/2021 23:45

@PaleGreenGhost

LOJ? Stands for Little Owen Jones. Youtuber. Guardian columnist. Might as well be a fifth columnist as well, for all the damage he's doing to that paper and the Labour Party.
Ah of course! Grin
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PeriChristmas · 14/10/2021 23:47

@YourMummyIsGC

Hi, I work at Sussex and I'm really sad to see that some posters are calling it a 'seminary'. I can't blame you but there are many of us who support Prof. Stock. However, it's really not easy to say so publicly in our institution. I have already said this on another thread but it pains me to see our reputation go up in flames when so many colleagues are doing great work in so many areas, whether that's in research, student support, learning technologies, keeping our campus running. We also worked hard to support students during the pandemic and we received awards for it. If all this hard work is now trashed because of a bunch of self-righteous activists, then that's just a tragedy. Again, I can't blame anyone for getting a very bad impression.
It must be infuriating! @YourMummyIsGC 💜🤍💚
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PeriChristmas · 14/10/2021 23:48

@PaleGreenGhost

LOJ? Stands for Little Owen Jones. Youtuber. Guardian columnist. Might as well be a fifth columnist as well, for all the damage he's doing to that paper and the Labour Party.
And yes I think he absolutely needs one!
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