The cancellation of women is bigger than a culture war (Tory MP in the Telegraph)

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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/11/cancellation-women-bigger-culture-war/

Miriam Cates is Conservative MP for Penistone and Stockbridge.

Fantastic piece. One of the best I've read on the issue. And from a Tory MP.

Why the Labour Party can't see that their pathetic stance on this issue is losing them votes is beyond me.

@EsmaCannonball

This issue hasn't made me a Tory, aside for respecting individual politicians for speaking out, but it has made me unable to bring myself to vote for other parties.

Your unwillingness to 'vote with your feet' is what allows all the other UK parties to ignore the sex-based rights of women.

@SirSamuelVimes

Trick to access articles if using your phone - click the link,then immediately put your airplane mode on. The article will load but (if you are quick enough) the blocky thing that comes up over the top of the page won't have time to do so.

You do have to be mega quick though!

Thank you so much for this tip. Worked a treat.

Brilliant.
To want to preserve being a women - and all the good bits and bad bits - does not mean I don’t feel for trans-people and don’t want them to experience love and fulfilment. It just means that being a female should be protected.

Brilliant, clear, concise article.

Absolutely crazed that a former teacher has to explain that it shouldn't be controversial to point out that mammals can't change sex.

I think the no-nonsense approach will appeal to Telegraph readers (I have met plenty of people who don't vote Tory but rate the Telegraph's sports coverage, so you can't always make assumptions about publication demographics).

@SirSamuelVimes

I am a Tory now. Under duress, unhappily but also unapologetically. Because every party I used to vote for / consider voting for told me to fuck off.

So I did.

I hope one day there will be a left of centre party which doesn't actively support, and indeed lobby for, the rape of female prison inmates by male prison inmates. Then perhaps my voting choices might go back to where they used to be.

BINGO.

@SirSamuelVimes

Trick to access articles if using your phone - click the link,then immediately put your airplane mode on. The article will load but (if you are quick enough) the blocky thing that comes up over the top of the page won't have time to do so.

You do have to be mega quick though!

It also worked on my middle-aged IPad. I got a message over the article telling me to turn it off, I said OK, the message vanished and there was the whole text beneath. Brilliant. Thanks so much.

I also voted Tory for the first time ever at the last election. It seemed wrong to want them to win, ie. to hope all the other possible winners would lose, but to stand aside and just hope that other voters would make that happen. And they did win, which in my constituency was rather HUGE.

@SirSamuelVimes

I am a Tory now. Under duress, unhappily but also unapologetically. Because every party I used to vote for / consider voting for told me to fuck off.

So I did.

I hope one day there will be a left of centre party which doesn't actively support, and indeed lobby for, the rape of female prison inmates by male prison inmates. Then perhaps my voting choices might go back to where they used to be.

The utterly idiotic thing about all this is that Labour had an open goal to portray the Tory party as nasty because a lot of the shit that has happened has happened under a Tory Government - look the Tories are state sanctioning rape of female prisoners, children being experimented on, religious and immigrant women being denied the use of spaces and services that are set up for them because men are in them, raped and traumatised women are being denied access to spaces and services for them because men are running them and in them, women fleeing domestic violence are being prevented from accessing refuges because there are men running them and in them, they are dehumanising women and describing women as nothing more than body parts, look how hideous the Tory party are they hate women and are turning a blind eye to violence against women and girls. Instead Labour and the other left leaning parties doubled down and showed which side of the divide really and truly detests women and girls and will do anything to ensure males get what they want no matter what the cost to women and girls.

The Tories, sensibly, moved back - not far enough yet, but at least they are going in the right direction and allowing the topic to be discussed and debated within the Party and they are listening to what is being said by the public. I'm not saying they are doing this out of any altruistic motives but they are shrewd enough to know how to win votes and ultimately that is what they want to do.

Plus the Tory Party are well aware that those TRAs and their supporters shouting the loudest about this gender ideology and abusing any dissenters on Social Media would never in a million years vote Tory if they bother to vote at all.

Can’t ever vote Tory but appreciate this article, it’s clear and concise.

It’s time other parties sorted out their shit, or even better we change FPTP it’s not really a democratic system.

Wasn’t Carrie Johnson speaking in support of LGBTQI+ at the Tory conference?

I’d be super careful throwing in my lot with the Tories they only care about number one, and you ain’t number one.

It seemed wrong to want them to win, ie. to hope all the other possible winners would lose, but to stand aside and just hope that other voters would make that happen.

This is where I am now. I spoiled my ballot at the last general election but I won't do that again. Until Labour and/or the LibDems sort this shit out, I will actively vote against them.

In a Tory stronghold here (rural north yorks) anyway mind you.

@Year6dramallama

Ah, can you post a link?

Can someone post a link to an archive of this if possible please?

Thank you

Very clear. Hope other MPs who can see souls or have one person in their constituency transitioning can appreciate the bigger picture.

Nope - never Tory - however, responding to an article saying how good it was, whoever wrote it, seems the way forward to me. Maybe one day we will have a left of centre party which actually supports women AND gives a shit about poverty AND the environment. I continue to dream!

I've just e mailed her . It's the least I can do .

'I agree, I mentioned overall party opinion; also if the Conservatives came out with a plan to scrap the GRA for example there would be no doubt whatsoever that they would be the best choice.'

Zero chance of that happening. They aren't interested in this at all. Just noise. Annoying. Centrally they do not give a toss about anyone. They are avoiding the topic as not interested and toxic. Don't take that as supporting women's rights.

'The thing is, a lot of women swore they would never vote Tory. Labour use that to their advantage - the Tories are the nasty party etc. It's emotional blackmail really. "If you cared about the NHS you'd vote for the abolition of woman as a legal entity" doesn't sound as good, but that's basically the line.'

A lot of women? Hardly. A proportion of male and female people have strong inbuilt beliefs. Whether Tory, green, labour. It's not about 'swearing' and 'nasty party'. That's trivialising the depth of feeling that those people both left and right have about what is the best thing for society.

There are self serving arseholes on both sides. And deep misogny in Tories and labour. Always has been. There is deep misogny in society full stop. Usually not even noticed consciously.

Agree this bad women do your duty guilting left women who care at all about women is pathetic bollocks that highlights that we are essentially viewed as easily led and bekind is the ultimate manipulation that we will fall for. No attempt to persuade. Arguments. Counter points. Just don't be horrible do what you're told.

Do they realise how counter productive it is. To think that telling angry women they are failing at actions that are part of feminine expectations. Is the WORST approach to take? We are not stupid, flighty, or children. We are grown ups who think for ourselves FFS.

I think that Tory women have more freedom to express GC views because they are less likely to get cancelled by their own side.

Emailed my thanks just now.

@LessthanJurassicPark

I think that Tory women have more freedom to express GC views because they are less likely to get cancelled by their own side.

Yes, only because the party has zero interest in this topic.

I have met plenty of people who don't vote Tory but rate the Telegraph's sports coverage, so you can't always make assumptions about publication demographics

Haha. My dad used to buy it for the sports coverage. And the crossword.

@AuraofDora

Wasn’t Carrie Johnson speaking in support of LGBTQI+ at the Tory conference?

I’d be super careful throwing in my lot with the Tories they only care about number one, and you ain’t number one.

Should we not be supporting lesbian and gay people anymore? Is Carrie Johnson a bad person for doing this? 🤔

@RedDogsBeg
"The Tories, sensibly, moved back - not far enough yet, but at least they are going in the right direction and allowing the topic to be discussed and debated within the Party and they are listening to what is being said by the public. I'm not saying they are doing this out of any altruistic motives but they are shrewd enough to know how to win votes and ultimately that is what they want to do."

But shouldn't politicians listen to the concerns of the population and act accordingly? Isn't that the essence of democracy and representation of the people? You write it as if they're doing something shifty. 😄

@NiceGerbil didn’t they halt self id?

@madisonbridges ha my dad has never voted Tory in his life but is a life long telegraph reader for the crossword and the sport