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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Crikey- comment piece in The Express...

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KittenKong · 11/10/2021 11:47

Sorry - can’t figure out the link but it came up in my facebook news feed... it starts:

“IMAGINE you're a woman on a female-only hospital ward. You've come round from an operation, and you're feeling frail and vulnerable. You notice that the person in the bed next to you is... but when you complain to the nurse she tells you that you're wrong. Worse, she treats you as if you're a bigot...”

Shock pulls no punches. I’ve not seen anything in mainstream media like this.

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HollowTalk · 11/10/2021 11:54

Here's the link.

She's absolutely right.

nauticant · 11/10/2021 12:02

Last week it emerged that NHS trusts have a policy of putting men on women’s wards, provided they “identify” as women – even if the man in question is a sex offender. Although referred to as 'trans women' in documents, they may not have had surgery or taken hormones. Nor need they have legally changed their sex.

Even publications like The Express are getting the hang of how to explain this in clear terms that conveys the necessary information to their readers.

ColourMagic · 11/10/2021 12:03

Such an excellent article. Clear, easy to read, hard hitting, covers a lot of ground

The article is 'By Kim Thomas for Woman's Place UK'

At the bottom of the article:
'Woman’s Place UK is a not-for-profit launched in September 2017 to ensure women’s voices would be heard in the consultation on proposals to change the Gender Recognition Act.'
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BlackeyedSusan · 11/10/2021 12:03

It was really good. I thought the language was really clear and it was well set out. Good to see it in a paper that appeals to a different demographic to The Times.

timeisnotaline · 11/10/2021 12:05

Great stuff!

Hoardasurass · 11/10/2021 12:06

About time that this bs is being publishsized

MassiveHoard · 11/10/2021 12:10

Wow, it's very clear. We need something similar in a less right wing publication.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 11/10/2021 12:11

Good for the Express. Maybe, unlike the Guardian, it’s a newspaper that actually respects its readers.

Chersfrozenface · 11/10/2021 12:12

42% of Express readers are between 55 and 74 years of age, a cohort which is more likely than younger people to be in exactly this position.

Also, there are more women readers than men (57% versus 43%).

The article will hit a nerve - and I imagine the editor knows that.

Yepnothatfeeling · 11/10/2021 12:30

Fantastic article - so clear. It's in the mainstream now.

PickAChew · 11/10/2021 12:44

I don't think the Express has ever been in danger of being captured, though they might ask you to imagine sharing a ward with Princess Di.

Artichokeleaves · 11/10/2021 12:47

About time! It needs to be very, very clear to the general public what the reality of this is.

Informed choice of the electorate.

KittenKong · 11/10/2021 13:10

@Chersfrozenface

42% of Express readers are between 55 and 74 years of age, a cohort which is more likely than younger people to be in exactly this position.

Also, there are more women readers than men (57% versus 43%).

The article will hit a nerve - and I imagine the editor knows that.

I’m imagining phones ringing up and down the country ‘Mary, have you seen THIS??’
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Beowulfa · 11/10/2021 13:12

@PickAChew

I don't think the Express has ever been in danger of being captured, though they might ask you to imagine sharing a ward with Princess Di.
Princess Diana had short hair and once wore a trouser suit to Royal Ascot. I'm sure Express readers would be fascinated to hear that this means she was really a man.
LaetitiaASD · 11/10/2021 13:18

@thinkingaboutLangCleg

Good for the Express. Maybe, unlike the Guardian, it’s a newspaper that actually respects its readers.
No, it is definitely not a paper that respects it's readers. Overall the Guardian is greatly superior, even if on this one serious issue the Express thinks it can make money from pushing a GC agenda that happens to be right.
KittenKong · 11/10/2021 13:27

No the Guardian is pretty awful. The writing is poor and their agenda is very blatant.

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MidsomerMurmurs · 11/10/2021 13:31

Overall the Guardian is greatly superior

Grin The likes of Little OJ certainly regard themselves as superior. That doesn’t make it true.

gnushoes · 11/10/2021 13:39

they've got very different editorial aims. The Express likes to pretend (or did) that its reader demographic is younger than it actually is (by decades) but knows perfectly well that most are older and probably right wing. The Guardian's readership is somewhat younger and generally more to the left. They will routinely have different slants on the same story. Not at all surprised TBH to see this in the Express.

RightsHoardingRaptor · 11/10/2021 13:49

This is a great article. To the point and easy for anyone not familiar with the subject to grasp. Please please let this be the tide turning.

RightsHoardingRaptor · 11/10/2021 13:51

Honestly I don't really care what the papers agenda is. Getting this out there and getting people talking will help massively.

BunnyBerries · 11/10/2021 14:06

Fascinating the way they've worded/indexed the hyperlink isn't it. Using an acronym that I don't think was even mentioned in the article. An editor somewhere is well aware of the issue

Datun · 11/10/2021 14:12

Last week it emerged that NHS trusts have a policy of putting men on women’s wards, provided they “identify” as women – even if the man in question is a sex offender. Although referred to as 'trans women' in documents, they may not have had surgery or taken hormones. Nor need they have legally changed their sex.

Why is this happening? The NHS and other organisations, backed by Stonewall, mistakenly argue that anyone who says they are a woman has the legal right to enter women’s single-sex spaces, including toilets and changing rooms.

That's it!

The entire issue in two short paragraphs.

Iwishihadariver · 11/10/2021 14:15

My FIL is an Express reader & we normally butt heads when he quotes items he's read to me. But he does quote far & wide when he's wound up & this will wind him up. Good! He will help spread the word to his mates in the pub. And they will help spread the word via their wives & daughters. This is how it works.

RightsHoardingRaptor · 11/10/2021 15:01

Yes! This is how it works and I feel that pieces like this help hugely. Families will start to talk.

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