Jesus, this is the most disturbing thing i may have ever read, on so many levels

[JustcameoutGC]

This is the story of Barbie Kardashian, a violent and disturbed young male. Currently in a womens prison in ireland. This comes with pretty much every trigger warning there is

www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-teen-charged-with-making-death-threats-against-two-individuals/

In January the Irish PM apologised to survivors of Ireland's mother and baby homes and for the country's "stifling, oppressive and brutally misogynistic culture".
What's changed?

This poor young child was treated in an abhorrent way at a time when every child should experience protection and healthy loving boundaried care.

Unfortunately, that was not what emerged for him/her and they are extremely damaged, going on media accounts.

As broad as my compassion and empathy is for this young person, it does not extend to allowing them to be detained anywhere that there are female bodied people. They will need, in all likelihood, ongoing psychological care and protection, for the rest of their life..

You would have thought reports about a highly disturbed individual who wishes to harm women being placed in a women's prison would have led to the eyes of those making the decsions being opened, but no, it just got swept under the rug

It had an impact though. As far as I can see (from abroad), this particular case was quite instrumental in drawing attention to the self ID situation in Ireland, and all sorts of campaign groups sprung up around the time this came to light.

Before October 2020, there was almost no organised GC resistance in Ireland. So even if this particular case didn't break through to public consciousness at the time, it was the catalyst to wider discussion.

I suspect this could be productively revisited now or later.

@wheneveryousaymyname

I was under the impression that self ID in Ireland did not extend to prisons. Is that not the case?

I contacted Limerick prison a while ago, and asked how many TW they had housed in the female estate, as it is hard to get an actual number (mostly because the media don't report them as men). I got a wishy washy response saying that they basically couldn't give me an answer because prisoners are recorded by their declared gender, or some nonsense.

If you look at the actual legislation for Self ID, it acknowledges in the accompanying notes that although the legislation uses the word gender, that they mean legal sex. So why wouldn't this apply everywhere including prisons.

It's a mess.

creepingdeath I'm almost certain prisons were declared an exception in Ireland and can see a few references to this in articles. Was the overturned at some point?

theconversation.com/what-would-changes-to-the-gender-recognition-act-mean-two-legal-views-103204

"Crucially, many countries have retained sex-segregated spaces in recognition of the fact that women are also a protected group, and most sexual violence is perpetrated by male-born people. In Argentina, for example, trans individuals are usually placed in the segregated prisons designated for homosexuals. In Ireland, prisoners remain segregated by biological sex irrespective of gender identity. In Malta, trans prisoners are housed with people of the sex in which they identify, but prison officers are required to provide additional protections, which could entail separate shower times, for the safety of all prisoners."

" In Ireland, for example, transgender prisoners have been allocated according to natal sex."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/17/the-guardian-view-on-the-gender-recognition-act-where-rights-collide

Someone with a strong intent to rape a woman is a man. A man. Just a man. Male pattern violence. Male pattern crime. Nothing female about it. And his sadistic attack on the female care worker should never be reported as 'girl attacks woman' because a man attacked a woman, using his strength and male pattern violence to do so.

If prisons were declared an exception... then why is this individual in a female prison?

Am I misunderstanding something here?

I think traditionally they were but with the law in Ireland having been changed to allow self ID the trans lobbyists got that policy changed, because if they are women like any other women, how do you justify excluding them? A lesson for us, and it's bad enough here.

Like pps, two impressions: firstly, that the article is profoundly tragic reading. A young life utterly destroyed before it begins.

And the horror that the skewed prioritising of trans concerns over female prisoner safety is not only putting people at risk unnecessarily, but sending a message to women everywhere that our safety is unimportant.

The most frightening thing is how twaw is making people on authority blind to how women are the targets of dangerous individuals, regardless of how they identify. How many female offenders have a clear orientation towards visiting serious harm on women specifically? How is it that anyone can look at this individual’s past and see them as another female inmate whose proper place is in custody with other females?

That is sickening reading. That young man is damaged, probably beyond help, and should never be allowed anywhere near a woman, again, never mind locked up in a female prison.

If I recall correctly, when BK was at large last year, police press releases were warning members of the public that a highly dangerous teenage girl with a history of attacking women was at large and should not be approached. Because clearly, validating BK's identity was much more important than giving women in the street accurate information on who they should be on the look out to avoid

wheneveryousaymyname

This is the response I received when I enquired about it -

The Irish Prison Service is responsible for the safe and secure custody of all persons held in prison and have previous experience dealing with such committals. Where a court makes an order committing a person to a prison, the Irish Prison Service must accept that person into custody in whichever prison is specified by the court. All prisoners committed to Prison are accommodated in accordance with their legal gender.

On arrival to prison, all prisoners are brought to the reception/committal unit of the prison, where there is an opportunity to provide details as part of the committal interview process and this information is recorded. The assessment of the prisoner’s needs may require a Prison Governor to consider the biological gender, legal gender, gender identity, transgender, gender expression, sexual orientation or gender recognition legislation.

Gender woo is even more entrenched in the Irish media/judicial system because self ID was snuck in as law at the same time as the laudable constitutional change allowing equal marriage. Barbie Kardashian should be a name and outrageous story that is circulated in the same way Karen White is circulated here in UK but I think the law forbids it.
The Twitter feed The Countess Didn't Vote For This recently published a Irish survey which matches pretty much the feeling here. Once people realise that self-ID includes intact males getting whatever the feck they want, the "live and let live" attitude changes. Because the second half of that sentence is compromised when "penis-havers" get automatic access to vulnerable women.

Mr Kardashian expressed regret at having failed to kill the victim, telling gardaí that it had been “music to her ears to hear [the care worker] scream and cry.” He served five months in detention for the crime.

Only five months when he had effectively admitted Attempted Murder?

He's fucking bragged about it on his twitter. FIVE months???

TUSLA sent letters to some media outlets threatening them to stop using BKs name in articles and to remove reference to them.
Yet BK is an adult and TUSLA are a child protection agency...

There was a recent prison inspection done in prisons here, the Office of Inspections said that these males should be allowed to choose the "gender" of the person who searches them. In Ireland, female prison officers are not required to search men.
BK and a paedophile, who sexually abused his step son for 2 years and got a GRC when he was caught, are housed in Limerick women's.

Tusla and TENI appear to be working hand in hand.

Every time I read a statement about "transchildren" their comments are identical, which is weird as TENI is a so-called trans charity and Tusla are allegedly the state child protection and family support agency.

Instructions appear to be travelling the wrong way in this relationship

Yep. A full on actual terrifying person.

Def in Limerick women's.

Recent report on trans people in Irish prison. Didn't name names. Cited that two TW in Limerick.

Conclusion. They were not being reasonably treated being kept separated.

Needs to change.

Fuck them.

And yes the sites with info including psychiatrist report which was. Extreme. Person massive danger to women. No remorse empathy. And loads more.

It all vanished. From when released from ?care and police warning went out onwards. Irish govt site for all trial judgements did not include.

Vanished because govt dept wrote to all sites with info saying take down or legal action. Seen screenshot of letter.

Too sinister to believe but happened.

It seems to be back now. I wonder what changed.

Sorry seen that covered!

I still can't believe any of it. At all.

The efforts the govt went to, to hide it all from the public.

WHY? Just why FFS.

I wrote to every TD when this story came out and there was tumbleweed from all but two, both FF backbenchers who seemed stunned but nothing more has come of it. We have replaced the Roman church with the self id church here.

AFAIK, the prison governor doesn't have any choice about accepting those the courts send to them, it is the judge who makes the decision where a prisoner is detained (although I'm aware that contradicts the quote from the presiding judge in this case).

TENI seems to have tendrils bloody everywhere.

We have replaced the Roman church with the self id church here.
This - history repeating itself, no lessons learned, mindset remains the same, state continues to outsource/abdicate its responsibilities to the detriment of women and children (and the most vulnerable in particular)

I posted a link about the suppression of reporting on BK, at the behest of TUSLA - that'll be one government agency interfering in the business of another - a couple of weeks ago. It was deleted. MN didn't say why they deleted it.

Incredible! I have just this second posted a link to the censored Gript article on BK, and it goes straight to the above message. Same thing happened 2 weeks ago.