Campaign of bullying and intimidation at Sussex University vs Professor Kathleen Stock

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Absolute disgrace. Posters on campus calling for her to be sacked. Academic colleague tweeting that he agrees with this. twitter.com/FrancescoFv37/status/1445727937660076032?t=-Di7mRf5sznFvvzww8UI2w&s=19 I saw a tweet saying there was a burning in effigy. Can't confirm this but nothing would surprise me now. Time for Sussex staff, students and alumni to put their heads over the parapet.

@MargaritaPie

Noone is talking about the abuse and harassment Sussex Uni's Women's Officer Lucy got after speaking out against Prof Stock and the Uni's response?

Did she get abuse and harrassment or just disagreement on Twitter?

She protected her tweets though, so is there any evidence of actual abuse and harassment outside of the internet -- such as an IRL mob with posters with her name on it for example?

Obviously if there's any evidence of the latter, that's disgraceful. But I suspect what you mean by abuse is "disagreement on the internet" and not "people blockading her place of work with smoke flares, flyers and posters".

I think that if you say something silly on twitter, a pile on is probably inevitable. Disagreement is not abuse, but I hope twitter have dealt with any tweets that broke their rules. Certainly if she has received rape or death threats I think she should involve the police.

Quite.

@MargaritaPie

Noone is talking about the abuse and harassment Sussex Uni's Women's Officer Lucy got after speaking out against Prof Stock and the Uni's response?

She got replies on Twitter. Hardly the kind of direct and physical threats Kathleen Stock has had. Is anyone demanding she be sacked from her job or removed from her course? Are the police telling her to stay away from campus for her own safety?

No, but you know that, don't you?

I post pictures of guns telling you to STFU, this is debate.

You say "I don't agree." This is hate-speech.

I happened to see some of the abuse Lucy was receiving from "Gender Criticals" before she made her Twitter private, and yes a lot of it was IMO abuse and harassment.

@MargaritaPie

I happened to see some of the abuse Lucy was receiving from "Gender Criticals" before she made her Twitter private, and yes a lot of it was IMO abuse and harassment.

I think we'll need to hear your definitions of 'abuse' and 'harassment' before taking that seriously, tbf.

Because you do seem to dismiss a lot of actual abuse and harassment as long as it's happening to the ''right people'', so...I think we may have different definitions.

Hardly the kind of direct and physical threats Kathleen Stock has had. Is anyone demanding she be sacked from her job or removed from her course? Are the police telling her to stay away from campus for her own safety?

This kind of thing MargaritaPie? Or rape and death threats so beloved of TRAs and which GC women are regularly on the receiving end of?

I also saw her Twitter before it went private and surprise, surprise none of the comments she was receiving were even in the same ball park as those Kathleen Stock or any GC woman receives from TRAs.

@MargaritaPie

I happened to see some of the abuse Lucy was receiving from "Gender Criticals" before she made her Twitter private, and yes a lot of it was IMO abuse and harassment.

Death threats? Rape threats? Threats to drive her off campus? Force her from her job? Threats requiring the intervention of the police?

I didn’t see anything of the sort.

Just a woman’s officer supporting the sacking and harassment of a woman getting her arse handed to her.

Anyway, enough engaging with false equivalences.

Let’s not fall for the blatant derail.

Lucy Stock should be thoroughly ashamed of herself. If you dont support another woman being intimidated what point is there in you being in post. If you explicitly state publically you dont support your vice chancellor then they arent going to want you in post. If she had any self respect she'd resign.

Lets see these tweets that were so terrible, I'm sure you would have screenshot anything that was. No screenshot = no truth in your comment.

I happened to see some of the abuse Lucy was receiving from "Gender Criticals" before she made her Twitter private, and yes a lot of it was IMO abuse and harassment.

And you thought the abuse was serious so you took screen shots, yes?

I’m sure you will be happy to share them or quote them.

Otherwise, as before I can only assume that you do t really care and are just here to goad.

...Lucy Evans is the SU Women's Officer

And you'll never guess what she's studying:

docs.google.com/document/d/1fj4fFgsl6SXesMYpI5tGmtwLkopdfoDPUCmquygQlZA/edit#heading=h.142gx6rm06ma

@MargaritaPie

I happened to see some of the abuse Lucy was receiving from "Gender Criticals" before she made her Twitter private, and yes a lot of it was IMO abuse and harassment.

Still no response on my other question? Does a woman endanger lives when she asserts that sex is relevant in policy and legislation?

All I saw of Lucy whatsit is that she was roundly ridiculed. That's what you get when you are a women's officer with anti woman views and say silly things on social media. It's not really the same though, is it? They're not ambushing her as she walks to the underpass to go to work and making direct threats to her, are they?

When you are the "Women's Officer," it would seem as if you have One Job ?

Just realised Lucy is a student rather than an employee - still if she cant support a woman being intimated then she is a failure who should resign.

intimidated - I'm a poor typist.

In many student unions Women's Officer would be a salaried post undertaken by a student on sabbatical from a course. Don't know if that applies in this case.

It’s a part-time unpaid role at Sussex, so I would guess more like playing for a sports team.

In fairness to Lucy, she is young and can do without this attention. I would not have appreciated national attention on me as director of the DramSoc, back in the day.

But she is an adult and wanted to fill this position of responsibility. She is accountable.

Hope she progresses well with her biomedical studies, particularly when she gets to learn about the differences between natural cervices and fabricated crevices.

Anyway, made me think of this.

For Lucy (Almost)

She looks quite young so perhaps still clinging onto head in the sand mode.

As somebody receiving a university education you would still hope she would be able to stand back and consider what it is like to be threatened in the way that Stock has, and to be able to explain why she thinks Stock deserves this treatment.

The biomedical sciences bit was a surprise to me, too.

Are universities teaching "sex is a spectrum because DSDs and clownfish" in science lectures as well now?
Really?

Are universities teaching "sex is a spectrum because DSDs and clownfish" in science lectures as well now?
Really?

I think some science students may still find it difficult to see the big picture. They learn about Swyers syndrome or clownfish and don’t appreciate that these examples don’t mean it isn’t possible to predict sex with a high degree of accuracy, or that sex doesn’t have very predictable consequences.

I dunno, ER

But you get the feeling higher ed aint what it used to be. Critical Awareness and Independent Research replaced by unconscious bias tests and diversity training:

And they all have pretty children
And they go to the university
Where they fill in tickyboxes
And they come out all the same...

Pie- when will you learn that until you can back up your claims with evidence no one will take them seriously?

@Deliriumoftheendless

Pie- when will you learn that until you can back up your claims with evidence no one will take them seriously?

I dunno, I think the constant obfuscation and blindingly obvious lying are very educational.