NHS ‘gaslighting patients’ on female only wards

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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/05/nhs-gaslighting-patients-trans-women-female-only-wards-nurse/

Whistle-blower says official policy documents compare patients who ask for single-sex spaces to racists and label them 'transphobes'

On Equality Impact Assessments I have seen that are carried out in relation to trans women on female psychiatric wards, they have actually changed the wording of the protected characteristic of ‘sex’ to ‘gender’, and stated there is a neutral or even positive impact on other groups.

That's appalling.

She added: “In one mental health trust, a male who identifies as a woman was placed on a female ward with observation. This patient complained that the observation was discriminatory, and it was removed.

I wonder if the observation was because the patient was known to have previous. I’m sure I read something before about known sex offenders still be placed on wards but with observation.

@Rabidgingercat

On Equality Impact Assessments I have seen that are carried out in relation to trans women on female psychiatric wards, they have actually changed the wording of the protected characteristic of ‘sex’ to ‘gender’, and stated there is a neutral or even positive impact on other groups.

Those need to be put into the public domain. If they're prepared to write it and implement it , they have to be prepared to stand behind it in the public arena.

”The patient went on to sexually assault two women patients. The same patient was placed on a female ward on a subsequent admission, and each time assaulted women. Staff concerns were ignored.”

These are the women we need to be suing the NHS Trusts and gov etc..

but it is incredibly cruel that the women who are the most vulnerable, are unwell and who have assaulted (probably not for the first time) have to be the ones to bring a claim.

Who is standing up for their rights? How will they access justice if the health care system they are trapped in already abuses them?

It is an appalling torture

These are the women we need to be suing the NHS Trusts and gov etc..

but it is incredibly cruel that the women who are the most vulnerable, are unwell and who have assaulted (probably not for the first time) have to be the ones to bring a claim.

Who is standing up for their rights? How will they access justice if the health care system they are trapped in already abuses them?

Apparently if they are deemed to lack capacity then there is no hope of justice for them, because their account cannot be taken as testimony.

It is savage. And as you say, the very institution that is supposed to be caring for them, trying to restore them to health, is the organisation that is enabling their abuse and denying them a voice.

Unspeakable.

Those need to be put into the public domain. If they're prepared to write it and implement it , they have to be prepared to stand behind it in the public arena.

Agreed, TimeToDateAgain.

@DickKerrLadies

Something I don't get is that we know that single-sex wards are what the general public want. The NHS know this too, otherwise they would just come out and say that wards are single-gender and that those males are women. Stonewall also know it, otherwise they would have said something other than that non-statement their spokesperson said.

(And on FWR, I think we're pretty well qualified in recognising when someone is having to skirt round language in order to try and say what they want to because they know they can't actually come out and say it. We do it all the time here!)

So why are some TRAs so insistent that 'nobody cares' who they share a space with? Is it just the right side of history bs again?

This is a very good point. Why the lies and obfuscation if there’s nothing to see here anyway? Why was the NHS told to say their wards are “single sex” even as it was being decided they would be “single gender”?

Why would anybody care, if it’s true that nobody really cares? Why wouldn’t people have been perfectly fine and happy with being told they were actually going to get mixed sex, single gender wards, I wonder, if everybody is really as on board with “TWAW” as Stonewall and other TRAs claim?

I think that one day in the future there will have to be a public enquiry into how the fuck transgenderist ideology became so embedded in our supposedly democratic society without any consultation or oversight or public approval, how these multiple abuses were enabled and promoted by those entrusted with safeguarding the vulnerable and supposedly accountable for their actions.

An enquiry of the type into child abuse scandals, or the Hillsborough cover up, or other cases where those in authority horrifically failed and/or betrayed those they were supposed to represent and serve.

This should quite simply not be happening. None of it. It is at odds with all the values of a supposedly liberal, progressive, democratic society. It is rooted in the most heinous denial of reality: as Kate Coleman so articulately emphasised in her nail-on-head speech linked to above, before Nic Williams’ and Dr Helyer’s, ideology has been substituted for reality and the result is that people are acting as if the real world does not exist.

People are acting as if it’s actually true that biological sex is immaterial and irrelevant, and only “gender identity” matters, because that’s what this ideology says, and this ideology holds sway over a great many people and institutions that should know much, much better. And the results, in the real world, where biological sex continues to be as real and material and relevant as ever, are - unsurprisingly - catastrophic.

When are people going to be held to account for undemocratically and unjustly imposing this ideology on us all, and particularly on the most vulnerable?

Agree, Talking.

We also need to look - again - at how whistleblowers have been so badly treated during all of this.

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark

I think that one day in the future there will have to be a public enquiry into how the fuck transgenderist ideology became so embedded in our supposedly democratic society without any consultation or oversight or public approval, how these multiple abuses were enabled and promoted by those entrusted with safeguarding the vulnerable and supposedly accountable for their actions.

An enquiry of the type into child abuse scandals, or the Hillsborough cover up, or other cases where those in authority horrifically failed and/or betrayed those they were supposed to represent and serve.

This should quite simply not be happening. None of it. It is at odds with all the values of a supposedly liberal, progressive, democratic society. It is rooted in the most heinous denial of reality: as Kate Coleman so articulately emphasised in her nail-on-head speech linked to above, before Nic Williams’ and Dr Helyer’s, ideology has been substituted for reality and the result is that people are acting as if the real world does not exist.

People are acting as if it’s actually true that biological sex is immaterial and irrelevant, and only “gender identity” matters, because that’s what this ideology says, and this ideology holds sway over a great many people and institutions that should know much, much better. And the results, in the real world, where biological sex continues to be as real and material and relevant as ever, are - unsurprisingly - catastrophic.

When are people going to be held to account for undemocratically and unjustly imposing this ideology on us all, and particularly on the most vulnerable?

Hell yes.

Especially the part where when you implement this ideology in the real world, the results are catastrophic.

And all on women.

@EyesOpening

She added: “In one mental health trust, a male who identifies as a woman was placed on a female ward with observation. This patient complained that the observation was discriminatory, and it was removed.

I wonder if the observation was because the patient was known to have previous. I’m sure I read something before about known sex offenders still be placed on wards but with observation.

Ah. Like the prison wing.

Where they tried to accommodate the TW prisoners considered too dangerous to go in the female estate by putting a separate wing in a women's prison and have some controlled, supervised contact.

The TW complained it was discriminatory and just got full access to the female prisoners and their spaces.

There is no compromise possible, there is not one scrap of care or empathy in social contract that will ever be extended for female people and their needs, there is no 'balance'. The only solution is no. None. Not any. Male and female absolute segregation. Now go and lobby for additional spaces to the sex based ones.

@KittenKong

Every single person responsible for creating these rules - and those who enthusiastically enforced them - needs sacking.

Agreed

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark

Those need to be put into the public domain. If they're prepared to write it and implement it , they have to be prepared to stand behind it in the public arena.

Agreed, TimeToDateAgain.

On the EIA I have a copy of, in the section 'Expected impact upon other groups' , under the protected characteristic of sex (changed to 'gender') is written: 'Positive: Increased awareness of the wider spectrum of Trans patients within policy'.

So that's us told.

Re these EIA being in the public domain, I agree as they highlight the absurdity. If you can't acknowledge a conflict, how on earth can you manage it. Considering how best to approach this - already been through all official channels.

I don't want people to lose their jobs. This is not about becoming oppressors.

I would like a truth and reconciliation event as to how this was allowed to take hold in the NHS (all of the commissioners and individual trusts), NICE (relevant because of their quality standards work and guidelines), CQC and other pertinent organisations.

Where they tried to accommodate the TW prisoners considered too dangerous to go in the female estate by putting a separate wing in a women's prison and have some controlled, supervised contact.

Can you imagine? A horribly violent sexist being paraded in front of women, flanked by security guards.

And all the women knowing that this is to demonstrate a law that means men can be given access to them as part of their sentence.

I keep climbing that bloody mountain. And I never get to the top.

To be crystal clear, I want the truth and reconciliation events so that the people involved can begin to understand how much they've damaged their ability to be responsible for safeguarding or a mandatory report.

This is a cataclysmic breach of the public's understanding of the protective frameworks in health and social care and it needs to be aired in public.

I don't want people to lose their jobs. This is not about becoming oppressors.

Is it oppressive to want people in the most senior of senior management positions to be accountable for actions (or inactions) that constitute gross negligence and malpractice, that have such enormously harmful real world consequences for people who are already very vulnerable?

I’m not talking about the individuals who’ve had to implement these policies but surely the buck stops somewhere, and those who completely switched off their critical faculties and allowed Stonewall et al to dictate policy and drive a train right through all standard safeguarding and equality practices should have to answer for it, in this domain as in all the others where this ideology has wreaked such havoc.

But anyway, we’re nowhere near that point atm, so its all in the realms of the hypothetical for now.

Mostly I just want the truth to come out and be acknowledged. I want the gaslighting and lies to stop, along with the very real harm being caused to women and children. But the way things are that feels like a pretty huge ask.

I keep climbing that bloody mountain. And I never get to the top.

Oh yes. Same here.

Nobody ever seems to lose their job after a public enquiry anyway so I’m not going to worry about the implications of a totally hypothetical process just now!

Savile, Hillsborough, Rotherham and all the other towns where the grooming gang culture was enabled and allowed to flourish for so long - hardly anyone in authority has faced any serious consequences for any of those situations. It’s the victims who pay the price and live with the consequences, every time.

On the EIA I have a copy of, in the section 'Expected impact upon other groups' , under the protected characteristic of sex (changed to 'gender') is written:
'Positive: Increased awareness of the wider spectrum of Trans patients within policy'.

WOW.

Still climbing.

Sorry Embarrassing, I managed to miss the comment you were replying directly to - agree with you re mass purging!

On the EIA I have a copy of, in the section 'Expected impact upon other groups' , under the protected characteristic of sex (changed to 'gender') is written:
'Positive: Increased awareness of the wider spectrum of Trans patients within policy'.

I specifically want the harms of farming this out to junior staff or advocates with an agenda to be brought to the surface. I want to know how much the health trusts outsourced their policymaking to SW without ever factchecking it or running it by other people/groups for an alignment of risk and values.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

https://twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1445286919919783939

Link to meeting Melrose linked thread about. Dr Sinead starts at 35 minutes in. It's a moving and enraging speech.

Sorry, I know I’m off on a bit of a monologue atm, but one last thing - I really recommend (again) watching this, the speeches are all so different but all so powerful.

Kate’s speech starts around 16.15 and is a a vividly clear and compelling argument, I think it articulates a profoundly important point about where we are now.

And I couldn’t agree more, Artichokeleaves:

There is no compromise possible, there is not one scrap of care or empathy in social contract that will ever be extended for female people and their needs, there is no 'balance'. The only solution is no. None. Not any. Male and female absolute segregation. Now go and lobby for additional spaces to the sex based ones.

@Datun

Official NHS trust policy documents also compare patients who ask for single-sex spaces to racists and label them "transphobes", "offenders" and "perpetrators", she said.

“The patient went on to sexually assault two women patients. The same patient was placed on a female ward on a subsequent admission, and each time assaulted women. Staff concerns were ignored.”

Dr Sinead Helyar said that in at least one trust if patients questioned why there was a male-bodied person on a female-only ward, medics had been told to "reiterate ... that there are no men present”.

This is, quite literally, state sanctioned sexual assault of women.

And gas lighting.