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UK parliament LBGT booklet

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HDDD · 01/10/2021 16:47

Just got it by email.
Great, nice resource to celebrate LGBT history month.
Until we get to

  1. Trans
Describes people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.

ASSIGNED, again!

and

  1. Gender identity
Everyone has a gender identity. This is the gender that someone feels they are. This may be male, female or something else (see non-binary), which may or may not correspond to the sex assigned at birth.

I don't have a sodding gender identity.

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HummingBeeBox · 02/10/2021 07:37

I'll compile something and send it today too.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 02/10/2021 17:28

Can we have a modifiable standard message that goes beyond:

I do not accept the reality of gender identity although I live with the manifestations of the ideology in a way that I observe to be increasingly harmful to my safety and wellbeing.

Please? I'm having if not writer's block, a sustained period of a lack of clarity.

Jaysmith71 · 02/10/2021 17:51

I'll offer this:

Non-binary

^An umbrella term for people whose gender identity doesn’t sit comfortably with ‘man’ or ‘woman’. Non-binary identities are varied
and can include people who identify with some aspects of binary
identities, while others reject them entirely.^

What age-range is this aimed at, because I am (insert age) with (insert qualifications) and I can't for the life of me figure out what on earth it means.

What is 'gender'? It is nowhere defined. What is my 'gender identity' if, as you say, everyone has one, and I can't find mine anywhere.

As a (state sexual orientation) I am attracted to persons of the same/different/both (as appropriate) sex(es)

I have consulted my birth certificate which states I am of the male/female sex. No mention of gender. My mother assures me I was not assigned anything at birth where my sex was observed and noted.

WallaceinAnderland · 02/10/2021 20:20

Describes people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit
comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.

It sounds like they are saying gender and sex are two different things. Is that right? I hope so because it's a starting point.

Jaysmith71 · 02/10/2021 20:30

It's saying that but for being assigned a sex at birth, no one would have any idea which sex they were, but everyone knows what gender they are because everyone has a gender identity, and it is your attraction to a particular sort of gender identity that determines your sexual orientation.

It is also very "Premier League" in that it seems to think LGBT begins in the early 90s. No mention of John Wolfenden, John Montague, Leo Abse, Jackie Foster, Dennis Lemon, etc

WallaceinAnderland · 02/10/2021 20:37

They are saying assigned sex at birth but it's good that they are using the word sex as it shows they recognise that sex exists, it is real and can be observed. They are not saying that anyone changes sex. I think this is important.

They are saying sex is distinct from gender which is also what gc people are saying.

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HDDD · 03/10/2021 12:22

Thanks to those highlighting the option to give feedback. I've sent mine in. Please join me and let's get this harmful language changed.

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allmywhat · 03/10/2021 12:27

Interestingly, that’s a common confusion: muddling up knowing your sex with having a gender identity. I saw someone on Twitter explain trans that way, but what they’re not getting is the two things aren’t the same.

They’re getting it mixed up on purpose. They want to pretend that a TW’s sense of self as “a woman” is the same as a woman’s sense of self as a woman.

I suppose that of them have spent so long around people sowing deliberate confusion that they genuinely are confused about this, but I think they do understand deep down.

EyesOpening · 03/10/2021 20:10

Christine Burns was born in 1954 in Essex and was raised as a boy.
As she grew up, Christine realised that she was transgender. She had
always known she was female.

This makes it sound as though CB was born female but raised male whilst knowing that was incorrect. If they're using female as a gender identity, then what term are they using for the female sex class?

MarshmallowSwede · 03/10/2021 20:15

What does being a woman feel like? I don’t get an electrical shock every time my heart beats because I’m a woman, so I’m just wondering what is this feeling we are supposed to have. I just am.. I wake up, have breakfast, get on with my day. It doesn’t feel like anything.

Women are human beings.. we feel like humans. We do human things.. there is no special woman feeling because being a woman is not a state of being or doing.. we don’t do “woman”. It’s not some performance. We are women. We are human beings and as far as I know being a human being just feels like being alive and living your life.

Also.. these people are insane.

EyesOpening · 03/10/2021 20:25

I've never heard of this description before, would you say this is correct?

Transphobia
The fear or dislike of transgender people, based on prejudice or negative attitudes, beliefs or views about lesbian, gay or bi people

JellySlice · 04/10/2021 12:47

The belief that lesbian/gay = same sex attraction is considered transphobia by some.

TimeToDateAgain · 04/10/2021 12:55

@JellySlice

The belief that lesbian/gay = same sex attraction is considered transphobia by some.
And cishet
NecessaryScene · 04/10/2021 12:55

If they're using female as a gender identity, then what term are they using for the female sex class?

They currently seem to use "assigned female at birth".

Which is kind of hilarious because it reveals how broken the logic is:

  1. In principle, either a male or female could be "assigned (ie observed) female at birth" - wrongly in the case of the male, or correctly in the case of the female
  2. In practice, this doesn't happen and "AFAB" is a synonym for female
  3. This only works because sex is incredibly clear and binary so it can be immediately and easily identified at birth.

If sex was remotely fuzzy they wouldn't be able to use "AFAB" as a synonym for female because there would be a significant number of people wrongly assigned/observed.

merrymouse · 04/10/2021 13:55

Describes people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit
comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.

So most people?

bonbonours · 04/10/2021 14:03

Assigned!! I want to point out to my DD that nothing was assigned at her birth. Her biological sex was observed in utero by scan at 20 weeks.

EyesOpening · 04/10/2021 14:06

@JellySlice

The belief that lesbian/gay = same sex attraction is considered transphobia by some.
I don't think they'd be saying that in this resource though, would they? In most of the articles of the people they are highlighting as influential people who have impacted UK legislation related to the rights of LGBT+, they have used the phrase "same-sex" and talked about how they were campaigning for same-sex marriage and rights etc. It's seems more the person's view about lesbian, gay or bi people not what the they or the lesbian, gay or bi people feel is the definition. I think they may have just done a bad cut and paste job from the description of homophobia.
bonbonours · 04/10/2021 14:15

Thank you, I have emailed my objections to the email address given.

JellySlice · 04/10/2021 15:49

I think they may have just done a bad cut and paste job from the description of .

Pretty much summarises all the forced pairings and false equivalences that the trans ideology clutches at.

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HDDD · 05/10/2021 17:36

I have had a reply...the definitions came from Stonewall, AND "in light of your feedback (we) have taken the decision to temporarily remove the glossary from the booklet, pending a further review of all the definitions."

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Jaysmith71 · 05/10/2021 17:41

Glossary still there in all its glory when I click on the link.

Jaysmith71 · 05/10/2021 17:48

...But, if true, there goes another expensively prepared pamphlet that has to be pulped.

Well done, Stonewall. Another Winner.

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HDDD · 05/10/2021 17:49

If you go via learning.parliament.uk/en/resources/lgbt-history-illustrated-book/ it's been removed

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OneEpisode · 05/10/2021 17:51

It’s still there. 6 figures, which includes one lesbian & Christine Burns as a trans figure. The rest men.

EyesOpening · 05/10/2021 17:54

Thank you for your email in relation to our Your Story, Our History resource.

We really value your feedback and as you reference below, are committed to ensuring all our learning resources are accurate and of a high quality. The content in the glossary is based on Stonewall definitions and was intended to provide some context to the terminology, as used in the stories, to try and make them as accessible as possible to a younger audience. However, we recognise that this has been problematic in practice and in light of your feedback have taken the decision to temporarily remove the glossary from the booklet, pending a further review of all the definitions.

We really appreciate you taking the time to contact us with your concerns.

Kind regards,
Amy