46% of trans people disabled, 52% neurodiverse.

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I'm sure this has come up before - these figures are astonishing, but never seem to be explored in the reports. (This is from Trans Lives 2021 www.transactual.org.uk/trans-lives-21 )

I'm certain these numbers are way higher than in the general population?

Does being trans cause disabilities? Or why does being disabled make you more likely to be trans.

Surely these questions need to be answered rather than just pointed out and then ignored. I would be very interested to know if any of our trans readers have any insight into this?

I don’t disagree with you @AnyOldPrion but until access to diagnostic pathways is more readily available, self ID should not be invalidated.

And there is no help or advantage in being identified as autistic, formally or self ID’d. Maybe this is my social naivety showing but I can’t see why anyone would seek this out for themselves if it wasn’t truthful.

@VampireBarbie

Lol at people identifying as neurodiverse, a person can't be neurodiverse, they can only be neurodivergent. If they can't even use accurate terms what's the point?

Self-identifying as something is not the same as actually being something, as we know.

I'm sure the "We are a DID system" crowd has members who identify as neurodiverse…

@NecessaryScene

Clearly you're going to get remarkable results in any poll of "trans" people.

For starters (nearly) 100% claim to be in some way not the sex they actually are, so initial signs of reliability are poor.

In an attempted survey of benefits from childhood transition (Turban 2020), 73% of respondents said they'd had puberty blockers after the age of 18, so they just chucked those replies out.

Transwomen frequently claim to have period symptoms and to have difficulty opening jars.

They also repeatedly falsely claim that trans people were foundational in the gay rights movement.

And "feeling suicidal" and "suffering transphobia" are part of their group and self justification for getting everything they want, so for an individual to say they didn't would be letting the side down somewhat.

So clearly any self-reporting figures are going to be immensely unreliably.

All you can say is "46% of trans people claim to be disabled", but that no more makes the claim true than "99% of trans people claim to be the opposite sex".

Now, in reality, there certainly is a significant overlap between trans identities and various other conditions. Trans appears to be the current central hub that lots of disparate things latch on to. I can certainly believe the "neurodiverse" thing is higher than population average.

But you'd need proper non-self-reporting data to figure it out properly. It is a population of fantasists.

Spot on.

@SuperLoudPoppingAction

Threads like this can sometimes be tough to read as an autistic MNer. Sometimes it seems like the kiwi farms attitude to autism rubs off on folk here.

However there is a big overlap between being autistic and central sensitivity syndromes (someone is researching this for a PhD just now - Sarah Grant - she presented at this year's Playing A Part).
So that would be things like fibromyalgia, ehler danlos etc.

So it is quite likely someone may be autistic and physically disabled.

And we know neurodivergent people are more likely to identify as trans or non binary.

I think it's more likely that being neurodivergent is the core factor here. Rather than being disabled making you more likely to be trans or vice versa.

Connective tissue disorders are not centralised sensitivity.

@OrangeSamphire People absolutely do self-diagnose inappropriately with any number of things, including the differences normally considered part of the neurodiversity umbrella. I'm sure their reasons are many and varied, but I'm not sure how you could think this isn't happening.