LGBT motion passed at Labour conference

[ChristinaXYZ]

"What we've learned here today is that Labour policy seems to effectively be subcontracted to the frauds at Stonewall, the lunatics at Pink News and the ghouls in the gender butchery industry. All assisted by Vichy homosexuals and the rainbow borg who shout down female MPs"

Twitter thread, including screen shot of the motion, here:

twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1442887208520798216

It's just another bye bye labour motion isn't it.

We can take some solace in the expectation that they won't be in a position to enact their policies any time soon

I cannot see the motion on that thread. Do you have a direct link? Thanks

twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1442887182100860931 - top of the thread

There's a screenshot on this tweet.

twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1442887182100860931

It's incoherent though, isn't it? If being transgender isn't an illness, what do they need gender identity clinics and specialist medical treatment for?

Won't be voting for them again

I posted a thread about this earlier. Lots to worry about sources, references, statistics etc. And they throw women’s Sex based rights away on the last point. It would be interesting to know how/why the LGBT+ community were disproportionately effects by the pandemic.

Thank you

Also for some conversion therapy may be sending them down the medicalisation route of transitioning if they are LGB, for others conversion therapy may be seen as giving a trans person counselling. But surely any person looking to transition would need counselling to ensure they understand all of the ramifications of going down the medical route?

The second point under 'Conference Notes' is particularly baffling and random. Intersex people experience erasure and harm through anti LGBT+ violence. Many LGBT+ people are unable to receive appropriate and timely healthcare services

You what now? I don't understand what either of those statements actually mean, much less how they are related to each other.

Did Adrian Mole (aged 13 3/4) write it?

I’ve gone from a Labour supporter to being genuinely fearful that they might get elected.

Any new information that shows the harmful side effects of gender ideology they ignore.

They want the votes of the 18-25 year olds and are cynically sacrificing evidence based policy for votes.

Back of a cig packet stuff, what worries me though is that people have probably just thought ‘that sounds nice and inclusive, why wouldn’t I vote for that?’ Without thinking it through.

I passed a motion this morning.

Note to self - buy bog roll

Wow. So if your child expressed gender dysphoria or maybe said "I think I might be trans like those 8 other girls in my class" it would be illegal not to put that child on a medical pathway? Who would be liable, HCPs they saw or the parents or both?

Also weasel words in that motion saying that experts have recognised conversion therapy as harmful. Anti-gay conversion therapy, yes they have. Watchful waiting and psychological exploration for gender dysphoria is different and in fact more and more experts are saying that is what we should do, given that for most it is temporary and easily confused with normal discomfort about puberty.

Really Labour, it's not hard to do some research and find out about the reality of this situation. The agony of detransitioners. The trans-pushing practitioners being sued for failure to assess properly and preventing safeguarding. The paper trails to big pharma companies. The evidence that transitioning often makes mental health significantly worse. I guess if you have swallowed genderist dogma that says anyone with a concern is just a hateful bigot and must be ignored, that could get in the way of finding out the facts?

I also noted that it was Pendle CLP listed as a contributor under the last line which takes away women’s rights to sex-based services - I thought that was darkly humorous.

Thankfully, this kind of chiropterological scatology is not party policy and does not get into the manifesto. Used to be all about unilateral nuclear disarmament, now it's about this.

Really Labour, it's not hard to do some research and find out about the reality of this situation.

It does read like it was written by some people from Tumblr or a student LGBTQ group in the USA circa 2015.

Same basic set of cloud-cuckoo demands, but totally ignoring everything that's come to light in the following 6-7 years.

So it's weirdly archaic, on top of being utterly inappropriate for an allegedly serious political party.

You can just see Reg, Judith and Loretta hammering that one out at the Galillee Branch meeting of the JPF.

I do t know where my political home is now.
Without going I to huge detail, but, Starmer and his cervix comments, David Lammy thinking cervix can regrow, Rosie Duffield situation and off book meetings at the conference so on and so on.

I hate Tories and what they've done, but if there was an election next week, I couldn't vote Labour.
But I don't think I could vote greens or libdems either.

Tories are going to be in power by default it seems.

Wasn't the fragrant Patricia, who was so viciously abused by a leaflet in the women's toilets yesterday, a member of Pendle CLP?

Are there any other groups in society who get whatever medical and surgical procedures that they ask for, with no questions asked, as soon as they ask for them?

It's framed like a terrible injustice this "access to healthcare", but in reality it's an inability to recognise that there are rules in place for a reason - you don't just get to rock up at the hospital and demand drugs and surgery, that no-one investigates whether what you want is reasonable, appropriate, cost-effective and not likely to cause harm.

"I’ve gone from a Labour supporter to being genuinely fearful that they might get elected." Me too, @TheBurmundseyIndustrialEstate , me too.

These would be disaterous for children and teens. And they seem mixed up about intersex people, which to me just shows they have written these without doing any real investigation.

It's framed like a terrible injustice this "access to healthcare", but in reality it's an inability to recognise that there are rules in place for a reason - you don't just get to rock up at the hospital and demand drugs and surgery, that no-one investigates whether what you want is reasonable, appropriate, cost-effective and not likely to cause harm.

Exactly. It's always claimed that trans people are denied "life-saving healthcare" and have long waiting lists. Well, there are lots of other people who need life-saving healthcare and have to go on waiting lists, and there's no reason why trans people should go to the front of the queue. Not to mention that the massive queue has been caused by the whole system of encouraging so many young people to think of themselves as trans on the basis of gender stereotyping.

I'm not sure who passed this motion, was it a side interest group or the conference as a whole? Could there have been an element of people voting for it to avoid persecution (as well as thinking it sounds all nice and sparkly rainbows inclusive)

Tories can do whatever they like, no need to worry about pleasing the electorate or working hard for their constituents. There is no viable opposition. Next elections the Conservatives will increase their share of the vote. Labour is unelectable. Personally I probably won’t be voting. I live in a very safe Conservative seat anyway. I wash my hands of party politics.