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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Weird situation

57 replies

893confused · 28/09/2021 14:26

I tutor some primary school siblings online. Have done for ages. They've just told me that their dad is transgender and likes wearing girls' school uniform, including to work. But uses "he" pronouns with family because the grandparents don't know.
I feel a bit weird about this. Transgender - ok. But why girls' school uniform? He's a middle-aged man.

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Imasoulman · 29/09/2021 15:59

@CuriousaboutSamphire

That's why it's so harmful for everyone when anybody can claim the trans label. Don't tell us. Take that to Stonewall et al!

If more transwomen did that then the constant battle between transwomen and women might actually devolve into a proper conversation.

You never know, socialisation being what it is, you might even get more women going back to nervously looking away and 'allowing' ranswomen into single sex, female spaces again!

But it isn't women who caused this debacle. It is the voice of transpeople, self proclaimed, loud and lobbying on YOUR behalf across the UK right now.

We can't stop it, though we won't stop trying. Maybe now you can see it is your turn - you, as an individual, as part of a group, YOU!

I have said many times that Stonewall does not speak for me, nor does it speak for the majority of my friends. It's an organisation that fought hard for gay rights, did an amazing job and helped bring equality. However having won that fight they suddenly needed a new revenue stream so decided to create a Trans bandwagon which has done nothing but harm to both Women and trans people alike.

I am constantly defending womens right to single sex spaces, I campaign within my small community and have personally talked friends out of using the ladies loo's. Not much in the grand scale but I try.

I don't want anyone to nervously accept me into places where they would be uncomfortable!! That's a horrible thing to do.
I know what I am and I'm not trying to fool anyone

All the time though i am attacked , blamed and vilified almost everytime I try to join a debate, most people on here don't seem interested in listening, they just make their assumptions.

I understand the anger and that's ok, I have broad shoulders.
I just don't see anyone actually wanting a "proper conversation "

CuriousaboutSamphire · 29/09/2021 16:18

Please take this as intended - I have to say that, it's my ssocialisation showing!

All the time though i am attacked , blamed and vilified almost everytime I try to join a debate, most people on here don't seem interested in listening, they just make their assumptions. Yep. Because you are male and have popped into a female dominated site, specifically into the newly enforced ghetto, where women discuss defending their rights from all comers.

Not all transwomen get such a push back, some blend in and aren't noticeably 'male' in their interactions here. I suppose that means they don't try to justify their choices, acknowledge their maleness, if not their masculinity, and ask more questions than they try to answer, iyswim.

I understand the anger and that's ok, I have broad shoulders. You'll need to have here Smile That applies to everyone, no matter what their se or chosen gender (seehow I avoided the obvious jibe? I am trying to be sincere, lose some of that automatic reaction).

I just don't see anyone actually wanting a "proper conversation " That is, I suspect, because we are all using the same words to mean slightly different things; are starting from a different points.

You start from your perspective and we don't have a bloody clue about you, for example - if you are the kind of transwoman who insists on trans [space] woman because that's how you type or because you believe, want us to belive that transwomen are actually a ubset of women rather than one of males.

We don't know if you might be one of those agent provocateiurs who provokes here and runs away to Twitter to show out of context, sometimes stealthily snipped, quotes, to prove to others how nasty we are. Or reports all 'hurted feelz' to the Mods, even invites friends to do the same, so we get banned.

I know you've been around long enough to have sen such actions.

Why would we greet you with open arms? We don't know you. Maybe start a thread of your own in here and set out your stall.

Why are you here?
What do you hope to get out of any discussion with the women here?

That kind of thing.

If you have been misunderstood and the push back is unfair then let's just start again.

But mostly, if a whole forum's worth of women are telling you that your style of posting is coming across as a bit poky fingered, male and chastising then take it on board. Ponder why that might be. If it prevents you from achieving whatever it is you want to achieve here then you are going to have to modify your demands, tone etc - yes, modify your tone, just as so many women have been told to do for millenia!

It's up to you!

OurMamInHavianas · 29/09/2021 16:45

I just don't see anyone actually wanting a "proper conversation "

The proper conversation of this thread was about safeguarding children.

All the time though i am attacked , blamed and vilified almost everytime I try to join a debate,

No-one has attacked you. You tried to shut down a thread on safeguarding then tried to me-rail it to stop us discussing it. That doesn’t reflect well on you, especially considering the topic.

MistandMud · 29/09/2021 18:57

I campaign within my small community and have personally talked friends out of using the ladies loo's. Not much in the grand scale but I try

Good, glad to hear it, and that should surely be the default position amongst decent males of whatever gender.

I wonder if you could go and have a word with the tedious RMW who is busy self-justifying all manner of intrusive behaviour on another thread at the moment.

Nowayhozay · 01/10/2021 09:26

@MistandMud

I campaign within my small community and have personally talked friends out of using the ladies loo's. Not much in the grand scale but I try

Good, glad to hear it, and that should surely be the default position amongst decent males of whatever gender.

I wonder if you could go and have a word with the tedious RMW who is busy self-justifying all manner of intrusive behaviour on another thread at the moment.

She has left the site 😢
CBUK2K2 · 01/10/2021 23:22

You see plenty of girls nights where they are dressed as school girls etc?

OurMamInHavianas · 02/10/2021 03:41

@CBUK2K2

You see plenty of girls nights where they are dressed as school girls etc?
Women dressed up on a hen night is rather different to a father dressing as a school girl in front of his school-aged daughters.

I’m worried you can’t see the difference and hope you don’t have any safeguarding responsibilities.

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