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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Safeguarding Everyone Training

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ThomasPenman · 27/09/2021 15:09

Here is an excerpt from recent Safeguarding Everyone training that I am completing online for work:

Monique is five and is experiencing gender dysphoria. Monique was assigned female at birth but he sees himself as a boy and gets upset if anyone calls him a girl or uses she/her pronouns. Monique dresses in clothes that are traditionally seen as 'boys' clothes' and loves to play in the construction area. Some children are starting to tease him and ask why he won't be a girl. Monique's parents are not accepting of his identity and have asked early hears practitioners to support and encourage Monique to play with toys that are traditionally seen as 'girl' toys. How do you respond to this?

Here are our suggestions of what you can do to support Monique:

  • Educate all the children about gender and trans identities in an age-appropriate manner, and educate them about what transphobia looks like and why it is not acceptable.
  • Educate all staff about trans identities and how to tackle transphobia.
  • Respect Monique's choices and let him play with toys and activities he is happy with.
  • Arrange to speak with Monique's parents and SENCo to discuss Monique's support needs and explain that Monique has a right to be who he is.

If it's relevant I work in England and not in an education setting.

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Catabogus · 28/09/2021 11:15

Well done!

purpleboy · 28/09/2021 11:37

Good response, but seriously who authorizes this shite to be produced in the first place?

Artichokeleaves · 28/09/2021 13:15

Monique is five. Leave Monique the heck alone and make clear to all that how Monique likes to dress and what Monique likes to play with says nothing at all about sex.

And the SENDCo? Is being trans a SEN or disability now? No mention anywhere in the Code of Practice. Whoever wrote this knows bugger all about practice and policy.

OneEpisode · 28/09/2021 13:29

As well as the answers the question seems to have been written by someone who has never met a child.
This 5 year old is arriving at the setting in male-coded clothing without the knowledge of the transphobic parents?

SuperSleepyBaby · 28/09/2021 16:04

I can’t imagine any parents in my 5 year old’s school getting upset if their daughter wasn’t playing with “girls toys” and asking for them to be kept away from the construction area and directed towards dolls or whatever. Sounds strange.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 28/09/2021 16:07

That is absolutely bonkers!

KittenKong · 28/09/2021 21:28

JFC - when I started school I had never really used my full name (it was very long and none of my family actually used it - they used a diminutive version).

I pleaded with the teacher and the school secretary for me to just use my ‘name’ and not my ‘Sunday name’ (very long, fancy and a bully-target). Would they? Would they hell...

Fitt · 28/09/2021 21:50

That's not training is it? It's brain washing.

If all this terrible D and I training was dumped inflation would go down a percent over night, the amount of money wasted on this ridiculous bullshit.

CharlieParley · 28/09/2021 21:55

I do think educating children about changing gender identities at an age-appropriate level is a good idea, and staff should already be educated and trained in the area.

You would do your cause a great service, Antinerak if you could provide us with a child-friendly definition of gender identity then. One that a five year old can understand. (I know some kids in our schools are even younger, but five will do.)

Gender identity is: ???

Eyesofdisarray · 28/09/2021 22:01

Poor 'Monique' let 'em play with whatever!
I preferred boys clothes and shoes - was allowed to get on with it. (Tartan trousers were my fave)
When will this madness end?

ShinyThingsDistractMe · 28/09/2021 22:10

I vote for leave Monique alone.

My 7 year old pretended to be a penguin on his way home from school today, should I "educate the children" on artic animals 🙄

Fitt · 28/09/2021 22:16

Arrange to speak with Monique's parents and SENCo to discuss Monique's support needs and explain that Monique has a right to be who he is.

Seriously, a teacher talking to a parent this way? Is this really what gender trainers are selling, this state ownership of children?

MagpiePi · 28/09/2021 22:35

Oh bugger it, I have been misgendering myself my whole life then as I was allowed to carry on playing with construction toys, did a degree and have spent the last 30 years being a civil engineer.

Anyone want a cervix? I clearly shouldn't have one, although it was quite useful when I was pregnant.

ThomasPenman · 28/09/2021 22:38

@Fitt

That's not training is it? It's brain washing.

If all this terrible D and I training was dumped inflation would go down a percent over night, the amount of money wasted on this ridiculous bullshit.

It's not diversity and inclusion training it's SAFEGUARDING!!!
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Fitt · 28/09/2021 22:41

I get that @ThomasPenman but it's safeguarding with diversity and inclusion dogma rammed into it with a bulldozer.

AnneLovesGilbert · 28/09/2021 22:50

Hell of an argument for home schooling.

Thank you for complaining and good in your boss. Please update us if you can.

This shit terrifies me. My daughter is 2 and likes dresses and tractors and baking and helping me with DIY. No one is going to pigeon hole her or fill her head with abject lies.

KittenKong · 29/09/2021 07:43

Maybe it’s safeguarding because the answers imply that an adult around a five year old like this who doesn’t understand behavioural psychology in children might let them play with matches or in traffic (if they say that’s what they want)?

WeRoarSometimes · 29/09/2021 08:37

This really doesn't sound like an accredited safeguarding training provider. Do this organisation have any contact/support within the local statutory bodies - local authority, police , NHS?

The training provider seems to have designed safeguarding training according to what a certain organisation lobbying for transgender rights would want. I wonder if this company is signed up to their diversity programme.

The obvious and sensible approach is to leave Monique alone.

Jaysmith71 · 29/09/2021 08:38

Hell of an argument for home schooling.

Hey, Teacher! Leave Them Kids Alone!

KittenKong · 29/09/2021 08:38

Monique was my sister.

Leave the kid the hell alone.

Melroses · 29/09/2021 09:17

DS1 had 2 Moniques in his primary class and they are both now 30 year old women.

Whatwouldscullydo · 29/09/2021 09:24

There's bugger all wrong with monique . Monique needs to be left alone. Tbe other children need to be taught that there's no such thing as girls toys and boys toys and they should play with whatever they want

What are boys clothes ? Is she wearing a jock strap or something?

The safguardung issue here is why are adults pathologising a child for plying with mecano. Hmm

KittenKong · 29/09/2021 09:25

I had a mecano guillotine when I was a kid. What the hell did that make me then, Robespierre?

Whatwouldscullydo · 29/09/2021 09:32

I better call a dr fir dd2. She loves lego, wears the practical trainer style school shoes , and lives in a Minecraft hoody, disnt realise it was something to get a gazillion people involved with Hmm

Thelnebriati · 29/09/2021 09:33

KittenKong Grin

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