Given the words woman and female have been appropriated how long before TW claims to be people with a cervix?

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Neo-cevixes (cervices?) are apparently created to allow women who have had surgery for cervical cancer, or those who are born without a cervix, retain their fertility. The terminology makes sense to me in that context.

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213307015001434, [[https://elearning.rcog.org.uk/sites/default/files/2011_LancetOncol_Rob_0_2.pdf]

And the cervix may be positioned high and soft or low and hard, depending on where a woman is in her monthly cycle.

It will stay closed during pregnancy but then will open during childbirth to around 10cm to allow the baby to pass through (as most women on a site named Mumsnet will know).

The idea that a mtf transitioner has a cervix is so ludicrous, so insulting that I'm lost for words. What is a 'neo-cervix'? Is it simply a reference to the closed section at the end of the blind opening that is known as a 'neo-vagina'?

[quote OchonAgusOchonOh]Neo-cevixes (cervices?) are apparently created to allow women who have had surgery for cervical cancer, or those who are born without a cervix, retain their fertility. The terminology makes sense to me in that context.

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213307015001434, [[https://elearning.rcog.org.uk/sites/default/files/2011_LancetOncol_Rob_0_2.pdf][/quote]
Okay, that makes sense.

What is a 'neo-cervix'? Is it simply a reference to the closed section at the end of the blind opening that is known as a 'neo-vagina'?

For transitioners, I'd say it's a marketing rather than clinical term.

@EdgeOfACoin

And the cervix may be positioned high and soft or low and hard, depending on where a woman is in her monthly cycle.

It will stay closed during pregnancy but then will open during childbirth to around 10cm to allow the baby to pass through (as most women on a site named Mumsnet will know).

The idea that a mtf transitioner has a cervix is so ludicrous, so insulting that I'm lost for words. What is a 'neo-cervix'? Is it simply a reference to the closed section at the end of the blind opening that is known as a 'neo-vagina'?

That seems to be how it is being used in trans circles. According to Cancer Research UK:

Trans women do not have a cervix, so don't need to consider taking part in cervical screening.

You might hear the term 'neo-cervix' used to describe the tissue at the deepest part of the neo-vagina in trans women who have had vaginoplasty, a type of genital reconstructive surgery. This area is made of a different type of cells to the cervix in a cisgender woman. The risk of cancer in this area for a trans woman is much lower than the risk of cervical cancer in a cis woman.

So it looks like the term for something that is created to help women retain their fertility after cervical cancer is being appropriated (quelle surpris)

Cancer Research UK call women cis? Wtaf.

@Franca123

Cancer Research UK call women cis? Wtaf.

Yes. They genuinely don't seem to care about the quality of their health communications.

The risk of cancer in this area for a trans woman is much lower than the risk of cervical cancer …woman.

If they were being truly clear they would state that "Transwomen have no risk of cervical cancer because they do not have a cervix.*

But hang on I thought the purported reason you can't say women have cervixes/vaginas is because of trans men, in that they have them but are men not women, so it's hurtful to them to say it's women who have cervixes etc.

I thought it had nothing whatsoever to do with TW. So this seems to be a case of a TW (male) muscling in on something that was for TM (females). Amazing eh.

Not that I accept any of this sophistical nonsense anyway but...

@QueenPeary

But hang on I thought the purported reason you can't say women have cervixes/vaginas is because of trans men, in that they have them but are men not women, so it's hurtful to them to say it's women who have cervixes etc.

I thought it had nothing whatsoever to do with TW. So this seems to be a case of a TW (male) muscling in on something that was for TM (females). Amazing eh.

Not that I accept any of this sophistical nonsense anyway but...

Of course it has to do with trans women.

TWAM. Therefore, anything that refers to women, refers to trans women. If you want to refer to actual biological women, you must call them cis women as otherwise you are talking about trans women who are women. And nobody really cares about trans men because they aren't biological men.

It seems to me that we have reached the stage where the word woman can only be used to refer to trans women, while women are referred to by a myriad of insulting and demeaning terms.

Please no, IW, no one needs to see your 'cervix'.

This is the first time I've heard someone threaten to show their cervix.

Women don't do this.

If you want to refer to actual biological women, you must call them cis women as otherwise you are talking about trans women who are women.

IW has stated that they are a 'cis' woman too.

We're down to 'bodies'..... or voldemorts, the things that must not be named.

Cancer Research UK call women cis? Wtaf.

'Cis' as in 'cisgendered', right? When talking about cervical cancer. As if we develop cervical cancer because of our supposed ''gender identity''. As if we can fucking identify out of it.

@Artichokeleaves

If you want to refer to actual biological women, you must call them cis women as otherwise you are talking about trans women who are women.

IW has stated that they are a 'cis' woman too.

We're down to 'bodies'..... or voldemorts, the things that must not be named.

But IW also has a cervix. They also presumably have periods. And I presume if we start to use something like a person with XX chromosomes, they will have neo-XX chromosomes.

I know - let's start calling ourselves men. IW and their ilk will then also be a man and then we can sneak off when they're not looking and we'll be back where we started.

I see that Konstantin Kisin ( one of the Triggernometry lads ) , in the wake of all this , is thinking about renaming his new book " The Emperor's New Cervix ".

@BloomingTrees

Please no, IW, no one needs to see your 'cervix'.

This is the first time I've heard someone threaten to show their cervix.

Women don't do this.

Women don't do this.

Exactly what I was thinking.

@Swantastic

I see that Konstantin Kisin ( one of the Triggernometry lads ) , in the wake of all this , is thinking about renaming his new book " The Emperor's New Cervix ".

Perhaps IW's cervix is like Elanor Rigby's face and she keeps it in a jar by the door?

I see that Konstantin Kisin ( one of the Triggernometry lads ) , in the wake of all this , is thinking about renaming his new book " The Emperor's New Cervix ".

I saw that IW jumped on him for his other cervix based comments, as IW was once a guest.

This is the first time I've heard someone threaten to show their cervix.

Women don't do this.

It's tricky without a speculum and a mirror!

It's tricky without a speculum and a mirror!

And, depending on who is conducting the exhibition of said cervix and why, it might involve stirrups or an amazing degree of flexibility and coordination.

Oh come on. How long from 'women dont have penises' and women: adult human female = hatespeech & transphobia, until somone said this.

And how different is it really?

The question is, now that women are being rolled over by tank tracks again and again, is who the fuck the zealots are coming for next? And will they be any better in seeing them off?

"I have a cervix but not the rest of the "bits" - so what on earth am I!?!? 😵‍💫" reminds me of those riddles I used to hear as a child (what happened to them?) as in 'what has 13 hearts but no other organs?'*

I think I may concoct a few for us.

• answer: a pack of cards

Anyway. A new T Shirt slogan I think

Didn't India choose their new vag out of 'The Big Book of Fanjos'? I remember India talking about it on Big Brother, they picked one from 10,000 in a catalogue.

The male knowledge of the cervix is very limited isn't it - anyone who has listened to the My Dad Wrote A Porno podcast will know this!

IW has stated that they are a 'cis' woman too.

Perhaps all this deluded, aggressive, shitty nonsense has gone so far up it's arse that it's coming out the other end. How about India and other Transwomen be Ciswomen? I don't care if they want to call themselves that whilst they pontificate on how hard done by they are whilst giving not one teeny tiny shit for anyone else - or anyone female anyway as we are not real people (men). Then we can have the word women back again and people can stop insulting me by calling me cis.