Does Lisa Nandy hate women?

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Lisa Nandy on Peston this evening.

Peston: ....your colleague, Rosie Duffield, who, you know, insists, and many would agree with her, is not remotely a transphobe, does not feel safe going to Labour conference. What does that tell you about the Labour Party?

Nandy: Well it's appalling that anybody could feel unsafe going to Labour conference, and I think Kier was right to say on behalf of the whole party that we will stand up to that sort of behaviour. Nobody should feel intimidated out of our politics. I come from that school of politics myself. I have profound disagreements with many people across the political spectrum....but I respect their right to disagree with me, I think that's how we get better as a country, and I think Kier was right to stand up for that and say we have to have these debates.

Peston: But he hasn't made it safe for her to go and that's a failure.

Nandy: Well, a-a you know, I'm very clear that Rosie is welcome at our conference and I'll do everything that I can to support her to make sure that she is, and I'm also very clear that trans men and women are welcome in the Labour Party and that we will always stand up for them and against the bigotry and discrimination that they face in society. I have a young person in my constituency who's going through this at the moment. 2 in 5 trans young people have attempted suicide. That should really give us pause for thought about how we're treating people. Social media is not our friend in all of this. We've got to take the heat out of some of the conversations, shed far far more light, and start to tackle the real issues, like why it is that so many trans people across the country are waiting years for help and support on the National Health Service... [ cut off by Peston]
Peston: I, I completely - many people watching will completely agree with you on the pernicious impact of social media on these important debates, it's something we should all be concerned about. Lisa, thanks for joining us.

Nice to know where Lisa's priorities lie with respect to the rights, experiences and fears of women such as Rosie Duffield and the rest of us mere cunty women. Nowhere near as important to Lisa as the "real issues".

Sorry @nicegerbil, just realised that was your point too. I suddenly got moved to rant having read the op but didn’t read the thread well enough first.

Excellent points Caspar, wish we had a like button.

Yes very good points Caspar.

We've got to take the heat out of some of the conversations, shed far far more light

She has been saying this for over 2 years now. It's was all less heat and more light in the run up to the elections. She hasn't done anything but fuel the fire and tighten the curtains further. She is an absolute idiot in my view and a traitor to women, inc Rosie.

Unfortunately a whole chunk of the left has fallen on the politically fashionable side of the trans argument. I feel sorry for trans people, they should of course be treated with humanity, but the scientific evidence is the scientific evidence, a man can no more change into a woman than a dog can change into a cat.

Does Lisa nandu hate women? No

Is nandy severely lacking critical thinking skills? Evidently.

The trotting out the “trans child in my constituency” hyper emotive line makes me want to slam my head into a desk. In the field I work in we’re trying to create change in the nhs & social care. I’m repeatedly asked for evidence that it’s an issue. If I rocked up to a meeting with “this woman I spoke to on the phone yesterday said it was” I’d be laughed out of the room after being reminded what constitutes evidence

And yet nandy thinks we should open up any and all women spaces to men & boys because a trans child (there is no such thing but we’ll let that pass for now) in her constituency is sad?

Imagine applying that level of critical thinking to any other policy issue! I mean ffs

Yea the old ' I'm glad you asked that- now here is the answer to a different question ' ploy. Doesn't Lisa want to expel dissidents on this issue? And crush the Scots?

@Theeyeballsinthesky

Does Lisa nandu hate women? No

Is nandy severely lacking critical thinking skills? Evidently.

The trotting out the “trans child in my constituency” hyper emotive line makes me want to slam my head into a desk. In the field I work in we’re trying to create change in the nhs & social care. I’m repeatedly asked for evidence that it’s an issue. If I rocked up to a meeting with “this woman I spoke to on the phone yesterday said it was” I’d be laughed out of the room after being reminded what constitutes evidence

And yet nandy thinks we should open up any and all women spaces to men & boys because a trans child (there is no such thing but we’ll let that pass for now) in her constituency is sad?

Imagine applying that level of critical thinking to any other policy issue! I mean ffs

Out of interest when you say you work in the field and you are trying to create change, are you on the side of science, or the other side?

Is she still banging on about this child?

Of there's no improvement in the past 2 + years then whats she arguing for more of the same ?

So sick of this lots of words no answers to question nonsense. Does she really think the public do not see through her " if I say realky nice things no one will notice I didnt answer the question " tactic.

Lisa, seriously it didn't work then and it's not working now.

There's a word for repeating the same actions and expecting a different outcome....

Politicians are stoking the fires by making it clear that only trans right's matter whenever asked about women's rights. How can feminists not be furious by a response like that? The question was about women's rights to partake in the public sphere. Let's talk about that, Lisa.

And to answer the original question. Yes, Lisa hates women. I'm a great believer in listening when someone shows you who they are.

This young person who's going through this at the moment seems to be taking their time.

You'd think after being publicly on record advocating for rapists to be imprisoned with women (on the basis that they say they 'feel like a woman') she would have done a little more reflecting and soul searching.

But no. She just trots out exactly the same lines.

She's been banging on about that child for so long now that they must be grown up.

And what has she actually done as an MP to improve NHS services in her constituency, if they're supposedly so shit? Or is she moaning about the Tavistock, or what? I can never work out what she is actually saying and what she actually wants.

Can one of you ladies give me an example of what you would consider transphobic?

One example is assuming the gender of people you don't know, for example calling them "ladies".

Please educate yourself, poppy.

Wigan has an electorate of circa 75,000, plus children and people ineligible to vote: Nandy's repeated emotionally manipulative weaponising of a trans child is unprofessional and completely dismissive of the needs of everyone else, including children of the opposite sex who may be impacted in their single-sex spaces.

The constant deflection onto trans when talking about women is absolutely atrocious and I am out of patience with it. What does she want, the Tories to put out pary political broadcasts at the next election showing all the politicians who can't seem to say the word woman?

Pressed post too soon! Imo, Nandy isn't a serious politician anyway, she's a gish-galloper with good contacts.

@EdgeOfACoin

You'd think after being publicly on record advocating for rapists to be imprisoned with women (on the basis that they say they 'feel like a woman') she would have done a little more reflecting and soul searching.

But no. She just trots out exactly the same lines.

Indeed.

She's either unbelievably stupid or unbelievably callous.

Either way, she shouldn't be anywhere near government.

You also have to take into account that the trans lobby tell children constantly that being trans will likely cause suicidal feelings, despite being told it is yet another form of social contagion amongst the youth. Fed the narrative they are hated and will be beaten and murdered etc. So unhealthy for already fragile minds.

These children will then assume any suicidal thoughts are an affirmation of their 'transness' rather than the cause of their trauma lying elsewhere. That trauma isn't dealt with because exploration of other possible explanations is forbidden.

Lisa is a thickie, just an ambitious one.

I don't think she hates women, she just love her career more than women. As the Libdem who wore one of Posies T-Shirts found out, take one step outside the dogma of the cult and you are toast, and there is no coming back for you. It's cowardice of the highest order.

In the unlikely event that a Labour government existed, then I would not want Lisa Nandy, Rebecca Long Bailey or Jess Phillips in any decision making role. The only thing worse than that, would be if Ed Davey defected and joined the Labour party.

FFS Lisa Nancy's young person must be a pensioner by now

I cannot bear Lisa Nandy - especially when she plays deprivation top trumps and makes out that she was somehow deprived as a child.

Her grandfather was a Liberal party politician and member of the House of Lords. Her father was Indian - so she will have faced some racial abuse - but he was from a privileged Indian family, privately educated, and worked as an academic after coming to UK before taking up consultancy posts with institutions like the Runnymede Trust, Home Office and BBC. She makes a big thing out of him having done a grotty job at Cadbury before he got his academic post. There were very few students in the 1960s who did not do some kind of grotty job at some stage.

Just SO annoying. Compare her with Rishi Sunak or Kwasi Kwarteng or Kemi Badenoch who recognise how privileged they are and just get on with the job they are paid to do.

I had a quick glimpse of Rebecca Long Bailey yesterday on the tv, and found myself recoiling. Seeing women spouting shit that damages women and harms children really sets me off.

I also recoil at men doing it too. But seeing women do it - god, it makes me feel gutted at the betrayal.