Feeling sick

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So a man killed a woman and three children in Derbyshire and another man kills another woman in South London. In three days. Anyone organising a vigil/ reclaim the night ? How dare anybody claim that we can ever be safe while men are roaming free to go wherever they want. So sad for everyone who knew these women and children. And so fucking angry.

So a man killed a pregnant woman her two children and a child on a sleepover with her friend.

I watched that on the news earlier- awful.

Yes. What is there to day? When will it end?

Well if they had been women with penises, the vigils would be countrywide. So sad that a people who have vaginas are so worthless.

Fucking Men.

Day after day. It's relentless.

RIP to all victims of male violence, a list that goes on and on endlessly. No concern to the social justice warriors who scream at women for "literally killing" males with our words or our failure to submit.

It’s motivated by hate. Hatred of women, women’s bodies, and their capacity to bear children. Let’s call it what it is. It’s a hate crime.

It's just background noise, wallpaper :(

Oh and the man arrested had ‘self-inflicted minor injuries’. Same old same old

So sick of this, day after day. It’s terrorism, women are terrified of what men can do to them and there doesn’t seem much we can do about it.

And the accompanying step in their misogynistic battle is to make sure that women are silenced and cannot speak of our sex based oppression or name the sex of our attackers. It’s all grey sludge in which men, patriarchy and misogyny hide.

It's really affecting me mentally. How to cope, when there are so many misogynistic men out there, who want to remove our rights, and those who are violent murderers?

I wondered out loud about the woman and three children making the news. Then found out one child was a friend staying over. Not part of the family. That's the only reason this crime made the news.
Men murdering women and children is so common it rarely makes the news.
Think about that, isnt it sickening.
Yet a woman murders her child and the news is full of it for days.
The man is always a paragon and the woman must have "made" him do it. Woman does it and people come out of the woodwork to say how strange she was, odd y'know, always thought there was something off about her etc etc
Fucking double standards.

Poor women, poor kids.

I am sickened too.
I feel so Powerless.

And it's always, always described as "an isolated event"

Have you got a link? Sorry.

Well it's relentless. In the news every sodding day. Along with reports about organised sexual abuse of girls. Sexual assaults in schools being common and not fair with at all. Woman after woman being 'accidentally' strangled to death. The rape stats. It's a catalogue of massive catastrophic failure, at all levels and everywhere. To take seriously, tackle, do anything effective about all this crime that predominantly is perpetrated against women and girls.

The vigil for Sarah everard was very unusual. Very rare response to her abduction and murder. Due to a variety of factors.

Personally I don't think vigils do anything. And if regular would be in danger of becoming like thoughts and prayers in USA to gun crime. Yes it's awful women have shown they are unhappy. And that's that.

Just my opinion.

What we need is rage. Anger. To do things that are difficult to ignore.

That's the only way to get change. I can't see it happening though and I include myself in that. For many reasons rioting or similar is not on my to do list. Same as other women.

The suffragettes committed were seen as terrorists and committed crimes to say look we're serious and we're not going away.

In the end I don't know what we can do. Gutting to say that.

MVAWG has been raised, shouted about etc for decades/ longer.

Yes we have made gains which is good.

The current situation with the criminal justice system around this is a total disaster. That's the number 1 thing to sort out.

But the other problem is there's not a general societal appetite for it. It's oh no how awful and then forgotten. Even with the wide scale abuse, it happening in schools, murder after murder with a man that police and justice system could have got off the streets before they got to that stage.

I just don't know.

Oh sorry I misread the OP. I thought it was one man who had done both the crimes.

Yes I have seen about the man who killed the family.

Absolutely horrendous news. The behaviour of so many men in this world just sickens me. These are true hate crimes. I'm so sad and angry, I'm lost for words.

I have to say when I first read about the murders of the woman and the three children, I was beyond alarmed at what must have gone on in that house.

They weren't young children. One of them was a friend sleeping over. What the hell did he do? What demonic mindset must he have to carry out whatever he did do?

This shit is just not normal. Yet it's presented as a tragedy. No, it isn't; it's the consequences of the behaviour of someone who is murderously insane. It should wake society up to examine just what the fuck is going on.

I think the overall societal view needs to change fundamentally.

Currently

There is very little acceptance of the fact that all sorts of different crimes that are mainly committed against women and girls are linked. All part of the same problem.

For example it's been known for decades that men who flash often escalate. It's sort of starter crime for sex offenders. Yet the police, justice system and society including both men and women see it as trivial. And so the men are left free to indecently expose themselves to multiple victims (they're also often prolific so it can be scores of victims) and that crime in itself is not actually trivial for women and girls anyway a lot of the time. And they are left to escalate.

And then if they end up committing an appalling crime it's all. He's a monster. This is very rare. Could not have predicted.

The societal urge to deem incidents as trivial. Or a domestic matter. Or the woman/ girl did something wrong. To see women as vulnerable prey and the predators are a fact of life and nothing you can do about that. So the prey need to behave accordingly and if they don't it's their own fault and if they do it was unlucky.

Because in the end in the final analysis. Society is simply not prepared to, has no desire whatsoever to-

Join the dots instead of seeing unrelated unfortunate incidents.

Face up to the reality of MVAWG.

To stop avoiding looking too much at the perpetrator his history etc.

To accept into their reality how bad things are and that the problem is the attackers.

I have no idea how to do that.

Packings they aren't demons.. Nor are they (usually) insane.

They are men produced (usually) by our society who are often in normal jobs with normal friends etc.

That's the problem.

The fact that so many men feel some level of antipathy towards women.

From mild resentment over certain things to boiling rage.

The results for women and girls range from 'trivial' to appalling. And at the lower end it's everyday stuff.

The fact that men have be shown to have way more propensity to having things which are harmful to women and girls as something they find sexually exciting. Voyeurism. Stealing knickers. Peeping toms. I mean and just loads of stuff. Upskirting etc. I mean creepy fuckers are all over the place.

The fact that dominating/ humiliating/ upsetting us is very popular is reflected in mainstream porn. Very popular. Standard now. Also finding ways to watch us when we should have privacy. I mean so much stuff.

The fact that this antipathy is common even if mostly at the lower end is something else that really needs to be addressed. No idea how.

Jess Phillips is going to need extra time next International Women's Day to read out all the women's names from this year. So depressing.

They weren't young children. One of them was a friend sleeping over. What the hell did he do? What demonic mindset must he have to carry out whatever he did do?

This shit is just not normal. Yet it's presented as a tragedy. No, it isn't; it's the consequences of the behaviour of someone who is murderously insane. It should wake society up to examine just what the fuck is going on

Not insane or demonic sadly

The fact she was just a friend. He was visiting. Two kids hers one a friend.

I mean family annihilation is appalling. Killing the ex. The motivation is there though. The actions are of course terrible crimes and seen too often as domestic as it were.

To kill so many in these circs is pretty unusual I think.

What else has he done? I would put money on history as long as your arm and police didn't do much/ anything.

Yes. Definitely not an isolated incident. Just because they arrested a man at the scene does not mean the next woman will be any safer from some other random or not man. Vigils maybe not the answer but if we were out in huge numbers everywhere, every time women can see that we at least have noticed and are angry.