Solid hard-left article against genderwoo

[BlackForestCake]

This has just come out from the Communist Party of Great Britain (not the Communist Party):

weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1363/orthodoxy-and-its-discontents/

“Unlike traditional conservatism, trans orthodoxy does support and celebrate gender nonconformity in a small minority. But for the majority of us the story is unchanged - women are told that we are an innately submissive class, born to service men. If you are promoting trans rights orthodoxy - arguing that most female people are ‘cis’, and that being a woman is about having feminine feelings of submissiveness - you are buying liberty for only a few, while slapping chains on the rest of us.”

The CPGB only has about 30 members I think, nonetheless it is good ammunition to fire back when the "Christian right" and "fascist" smears come out.

Yes they have generally poo-poohed all this.

Thanks, an interesting read!

A really good article and certainly an answer to anyone to says GC ideas are aligned with right wing ideology.

Excellent analysis

Well ...Amanda McLean is a gifted writer. She explains it all so well. I did read Engels' stuff on the roots of women's oppression but it was so long ago I'd forgotten it!

Identity politics in general overlook the importance of class - arguably they are a deliberate distraction. I'm not suggesting a carefully planned conspiracy, but it does suit governments if people are too busy with generational/racial/gender ID conflict to focus on economic inequality

The CPGP has a few hundred members - my DH is in it. The Young Communist League has a few hundred too.

They're the only party that's actually standing up for women's rights!

Thanks for this OP. That's a really good and very clearly written article that deserves to be published in something with a wider circulation!

Excellent article. People don't believe it is happening or trot off the line 'be kind' when faced with this. I told a friend about it this week and she just said 'nooooo that can't be right!' I'm going to send her this.

good article

Storming article. It nails the fundamental problems with the way gender / trans issues are being framed by the dominant gender ideology, and also that the ideology is preventing what should be a natural alliance between gender non-confirming males and feminists.

The article I would write if only I could write that well!

That's fabulous. If anyone knows the author, please encourage her to publish this (maybe a shortened version) somewhere where it will be more widely read. It's really very good and deserves wider exposure.

When I try to explain this whole debate to someone who has not been aware or has just started to see behind 'be kind', it's often difficult to know where to start because there's so many aspects and facets to it - I often find myself frantically diving between many different topics and probably sounding a bit frenzied! I may just forward this to people instead as a sort of introduction - It's clear and concise and informative. Thank you for posting it.

Wow, that is excellent, could not be stated any more clearly and starkly.

The CPGB only has about 30 members I think, nonetheless it is good ammunition to fire back when the "Christian right" and "fascist" smears come out.

This is where I find people tend to say something about politics being a horseshoe, and the hard left is the same as the alt-right.

This is where I find people tend to say something about politics being a horseshoe, and the hard left is the same as the alt-right.

Mmm, I can see the point when looking at, say, anarchists and libertarians, where both oppose mainstream government.

With gender politics, the similarity is between transactivists and the extreme right. Both put the individual above society. As a lifelong socialist, I could not support a movement that promotes individuals' right to identity themselves into an oppressed class, especially when their very presence there is oppressive. I don't see how any socialist could.

@thinkingaboutLangCleg

This is where I find people tend to say something about politics being a horseshoe, and the hard left is the same as the alt-right.

Mmm, I can see the point when looking at, say, anarchists and libertarians, where both oppose mainstream government.

With gender politics, the similarity is between transactivists and the extreme right. Both put the individual above society. As a lifelong socialist, I could not support a movement that promotes individuals' right to identity themselves into an oppressed class, especially when their very presence there is oppressive. I don't see how any socialist could.

There are quite a few different kinds of commonalities that you can find across the political spectrum, and it's not like you can really plot it all on any kind of line, no matter what the shape. Some of them do relate to why various groups agree on some things but not others. The traditional left and traditional conservatives for example tend to be less individualistic and think in terms of relational groups and how they function together in society. Quite different from anarchists and libertarians.

The lazy part though is assuming that the supposed horseshoe means you can dismiss the far left view on an issue because similar to the alt-right.

The CPGB-ML as opposed to the plain old CPGB are gender critical too (so is the Morning Star). Traditional Marxists are I think more used to conceiving of sex classes and hierarchical oppression (plus the dislike of capitalist individualism). Unfortunately the CPGB-ML are also batshit and spend the rest of their time trying to claim Stalin and Mao did nothing wrong.

Identity politics in general overlook the importance of class - arguably they are a deliberate distraction. I'm not suggesting a carefully planned conspiracy

You only have to look at what is happening today. Supermarket shelves are empty, major electricity suppliers about to go bust, NI contributions about to rise, UC to be cut, and what are the leaders of the so-called “left” talking about? Why we all need to pretend that men are women.

@BlackForestCake

This has just come out from the Communist Party of Great Britain (not the Communist Party):

weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1363/orthodoxy-and-its-discontents/

“Unlike traditional conservatism, trans orthodoxy does support and celebrate gender nonconformity in a small minority. But for the majority of us the story is unchanged - women are told that we are an innately submissive class, born to service men. If you are promoting trans rights orthodoxy - arguing that most female people are ‘cis’, and that being a woman is about having feminine feelings of submissiveness - you are buying liberty for only a few, while slapping chains on the rest of us.”

The CPGB only has about 30 members I think, nonetheless it is good ammunition to fire back when the "Christian right" and "fascist" smears come out.

Why do you all tell so many lies? Do you truly feel that any victory built on lies truly counts?

@PumpkinSpiceWoman feeling worried? The amount of sunlight which has been shone onto the extremism of gender ideology even over the past few days is a sign that the house of cards is finally starting to come down.

Why do you all tell so many lies? Do you truly feel that any victory built on lies truly counts?

The only lie here is that men can somehow become women. That is a lie that has facilitated so much nonsense.

I really want someone to show me or explain how this happens - science not emotion/feelings.

What lies? Tell us.

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow

Identity politics in general overlook the importance of class - arguably they are a deliberate distraction. I'm not suggesting a carefully planned conspiracy, but it does suit governments if people are too busy with generational/racial/gender ID conflict to focus on economic inequality

I agree, it is also very frustrating to constantly hear how trans people are somehow the most victimised and discriminated against, when the government well knows that childhood poverty is one of the biggest single indicators of deprivation and hardship later in life.

Many trans identified men are very privileged; white, educated, middle class, senior level etc. But somehow have identified into the most oppressed class in society .

Then again childhood poverty is a much harder societal problem to solve than giving out rainbow lanyards and parroting mantras.

It's a bit like 'gender quotas' in business, there was an article recently that stated that transwomen would be counted as women for gender quotas on management boards, which is such a lazy way of solving the problem of getting more women in C-suite positions.

It's an easy box tick for organisations who don't want to spend any time or money making an effort.