Janice Turner on Starmer, Labour and Gender

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and also the SNP and WEP, but mostly Labour:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fd1ec980-17e9-11ec-8982-e4706e2eecb0?shareToken=4fa639c83d8fefe8c1b934f0651acb72

@drinkingwineoutofamug

Just here to ask is the Green Party definition of a female really a self identifying non-male? Who the fuck came up with that bull shit ?

I believe in 2016 they tried to divide people into 'men' and 'non-men'

www.feministcurrent.com/2016/04/18/non-men-of-the-world-unite-to-mock-greenpartyfeminism/

From their website:

www.greenparty.org.uk/people/regional-council.html

Regional Council Members:
GPRC Co-Chairs
• Self identifying Non-Male Co-Chair: Martha James
• Self identifying Non-Female Co-Chair: Adrian Spurrell

Explains why there are so many self-identifying Non-Greens.

Maggie Chapman of the Scottish Greens thinks there are more than two human sexes
m.facebook.com/scotlandtonight/videos/695238850929143/

“Starmer has texted Duffield, a victim of domestic abuse, to say he’s sorry she felt unsafe, but offered no help with security.”

WTF? This is such a classic, threadbare cliché. It's eye-rolllingly NOT EVEN funny, because we have all heard it so many times that it has its own term: a non-apology apology: I’m sorry you feel that way.

But Starmer is dodging something that the rest of us can see in plain sight: he's party leader, Duffield is an MP in the same party. He DOES have a responsibility to her, and a responsibility that paople don't expect to be harrassed, assaulted, or raped at his party's conference. Even ten years ago, this would have been a given.

2021, tho! Now we give Starmer credit for being perhaps a tiny bit better than what we get from Starmer's fellow Party Leader Nicola Sturgeon, who ignores a specific, credible rape threat against her own party’s MP from her own party member even when he’s convicted, and goes blithely on fanning the flames of the misogynist climate by announcing that women are bullies.

Congrats, Starmer: you’re just slightly short of being the literal absolute worst.

But I'm not as optimistic as Janice. Look what happened in Scotland in May 2021. People, including women, don't care about misogyny even when they clearly see it, or don't care enough for it to influence their voting. Something more is needed for this to change.

Excellent article thank you OP

@Jaysmith71

Explains why there are so many self-identifying Non-Greens.

You win the Internet Trophy 🏆🤣

Appreciate the share token OP, this is much needed this article and comments were heartening too.

Shame shame shame on political parties, gonna be difficult to forget or forgive this.

I hope there will be somewhere I can stick my X come next election.

Comments have been turned off and I can no longer see them.

You're right LongBlobson Why have they hidden them?

Such a great article. You can depend on Janice to tell it like it is.

@Sophoclesthefox

Excellent piece, Janice. As always, she is absolutely incredible at drawing together all of the disparate strands.

Am currently helping my Lib Dem member husband compose his resignation letter from the party off the back of Ed Davey’s witless, fawning chucking of women under the bus.

Liberal values my arse.

I composed my own raging email some months ago, after several futile attempts to get some answers.

I went into the ballot box a few months later with a prepared sticker reading, 'If you don't respect my sex, You can't expect my X'.

I have reached that pitch of fury where I just cannot articulate what I feel. This is why Janice Turner writes excellent articles and I just fume like a dissatisfied volcano.

@LongBlobson

Comments have been turned off and I can no longer see them.

The comments that I saw were harmless. I've no idea if there was a sudden influx of comments that made moderation too great a burden which is a pragmatic tactic for getting public conversations closed down.

Yes, I get the message "Comments for this article have been turned off.
Comments are subject to our community guidelines, which can be viewed here."

Can anyone who has a subscription tell if comments on the article are still viewable when logged in on your ID?

The comments were great. Why have they been turned off?

Did anyone see the most recent ones? Where there any that were offensive?

The comments have disappeared completely - even if you've got a subscription.
I suspect that the American company that the Times have outsourced moderation to were unhappy with women (and numerous men) being given the space to freely speak about this.

There were remarkably few deletions I thought - given what it used to be like.
Hopefully Janice will have a hotline to someone to ask that they are at least restored. Ironic given what she was writing about.

@MrsOvertonsWindow

The comments have disappeared completely - even if you've got a subscription. I suspect that the American company that the Times have outsourced moderation to were unhappy with women (and numerous men) being given the space to freely speak about this.

I've been wondering about this in the light of various changes in the US and this recent vote:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4350798-MEPs-have-voted-to-make-gender-based-crime-in-person-and-online-a-crime

Will any criticism of gender ideology (could be any contentious issue) or challenge to it become illegal to display in a number of countries? In the same way that some US newspapers have never considered it a good use of their resources to cope with GDPR so they just block all UK access - would UK newspapers end up having to block access to international platforms for different standards around commenting?

I had been following the comments and there were a few deletions and the occasional religious type but in general the tone was fine and very supportive of the article.

Excellent article. Thanks for sharing OP

@drinkingwineoutofamug

Just here to ask is the Green Party definition of a female really a self identifying non-male? Who the fuck came up with that bull shit ?

That’s why I joined the Greens - so I can vote for Shahir Ali.

The comments seem to be back up but closed to any new ones.

I'm logged into to the times and comments are still turned off.

Great article

It's a shame because the comments were largely very astute and well made, and there was a lot of interaction with them in the form of likes or recommendations or whatever it is that The Times comment section has. More than usual I thought.