Poll in Scotland. Please write to MSPs and share.

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/snp-out-of-step-on-trans-law-says-poll-h068jwqz9?shareToken=2130a470080c4af4112359e13e0ee20e

Seemingly Nicola Sturgeon and Patrick Harvie have spent too much time listening to the glitter family in their bunkers. Their scramble to show how progressive they are turns out to be really rather unpopular.

As we are in real danger of this dangerous nonsense becoming law in Scotland, please can I ask that you share this far and wide.

I didn't say it was "a surprise"- where do you get that from?

Thank you for conceding I'm allowed to hold a different opinion.

I won't be writing to any MSPs about this. I'm a Conservative voter so Conservative opposition to this in the bag anyway. The Lib Dems, Greens and SNP are hellbent on it anyway. I suppose you might get somewhere with Labour. In any case anything which makes the SNP lose support is fine by me.

I see only opinions agreeing with the concensus are permitted.

You are posting on a board specifically based on the topic of gender reforms and how they affect women and your post is not about whether those reforms will affect women, but about how unimportant the topic is.

So the logical answer to your question :

Why , out of all the SNP's dangerous and damaging policies, and shambolic running of Scotland is this one getting singled out?

is…

“Because you are posting on a board dedicated to that topic”

Of course you don’t have to agree that these changes will affect women, or that this is the most important political topic available. But if you come to a board where it is the main topic then it comes across as a deliberate attempt to dismiss all those here, who do believe it’s important enough and want discuss it.

If you want to talk about something you feel is important, why don’t you take yourself off to a board where people are discussing that topic?

@RedDogsBeg

I see only opinions agreeing with the concensus are permitted.

Oh stop being so daft, this thread is talking about this particular issue you have joined this thread seemingly to dismiss this issue and get on your soapbox about everything else.

I'm a woman living in Scotland. GRA reform is the least of my concerns in relation to the authoritarian, incompetent, hypocritical and delusional SNP government.

Well jolly good for you that this is the least of your concerns considering the authoritarian nature of said reforms.

Does dropping GRA reform wipe the slate on everything else?

Has anybody said it does? If you want to air your grievances about every single SNP Policy and everything they do that you dislike why not start a thread in the Politics or Scottish section to do just that? The one particular issue under discussion here is a feminist issue therefore being rightly discussed under the correct topic. No interest to you? Scroll on by and stop derailing this thread on this one issue with all your particular hobby horses.

Well said RedDogs.

I won't be writing to any MSPs about this

We are all so much the wiser and suitably impressed that you condescended to share this vital information with us.

For God sake, everyone knows your opinion on the SNP. You have gone on about women supporting The SNP for years on here. You have been very clear that they got what they deserved for voting for them . Over time, it looks many eventually agreed and have left the SNP in droves, with no intention of ever supporting them again.

But now, you are still scolding women for previously having voted for them, and even if they don't now, their priorities are still all wrong on this issue.

We know you are not a feminist, you have told us so many times. You don't think it's important. Got it.

“ For God sake, everyone knows your opinion on the SNP. You have gone on about women supporting The SNP for years on here. You have been very clear that they got what they deserved for voting for them”

Well in that posters defence if you keep voting for leftwing parties don’t be surprised when those parties gain traction, eventually get into government and insist on delivering leftwing policies. All left wing parties seem to go authoritarian when in power and every time every where in the world when a far left or communist party has got into power the results have been the same. It’s true, many of the people here are just getting the sort of policies that the parties they’ve long since voted for advocate. In fact if it was t for this one particular policies many in this board would be the SNP’s biggest cheer leaders.

If it wasn’t for this one particular policy many in this board would be the SNP’s biggest cheer leaders.

You know it’s true. They’d be fine with everything else and posting anti-tory rants on a daily basis from a place of those smug leftist feelings of moral superiority.

It's like the Daily Mail comments on here today.

Welcome to Mumsnet Bbthornton. You are right that most gender critical feminists are of the political left . However, just because we might disagree on many issues doesn't mean that we can't agree on preserving women's rights to safety, dignity, privacy and freedom from sex discrimination.
It is important that all our representatives ,of all parties , should be aware of the detriment that women will experience if the GRA reform continues in its present form.

@anaily

That doesn't answer how birth certificates are dangerous.

The GRA is a hugely dangerous social experiment and need to be repealed urgently.

If anyone here is not aware look up "Repeal the GRA" on the internet.

@MiladyBerserko

It's like the Daily Mail comments on here today.

It really fucking is!

“It's like the Daily Mail comments on here today.”

And there it is! In my very first response no less!! That sneering smug leftists attitude that just reeks of a sense of moral and intellectual superiority...

You really can’t be surprised if people with such self righteous attitudes in politics won’t listen to the opinions or concerns of people they regard as bigots I suppose...

No, that comment was in response to your scolding about 'leftists'.

I think it's you doing the sneering mate.

And other than being against gender self identification, you dont know what I believe, but you came on here assuming we all would support the SNP if not for gender issues.

@Bbthornton

If it wasn’t for this one particular policy many in this board would be the SNP’s biggest cheer leaders.

You know it’s true. They’d be fine with everything else and posting anti-tory rants on a daily basis from a place of those smug leftist feelings of moral superiority.

That is so true.

@MiladyBerserko

It's like the Daily Mail comments on here today.

In what sense? I thought you opposed reform of the GRA? I think you'll find most btl posters in The Daily Mail will agree with you.

As if ploppers and wokescolds weren't tiresome enough on these boards, we're now to be "toryscolded" too by those who presume to know how those on FWR choose to vote...

@ArabellaScott

Thanks, OP. Will be putting together a letter to my representatives today.

Is the letters to MSPs just to make them aware of this survey , in which case is there an archived version as share tokens often expire quite quickly ?

And that’s me done before I even got started. I didn’t attend the little protest in Edinburgh because I was in two minds about getting involved. But it is clear to me that almost nothing has been learned at all.

Posters here really shouldn’t be surprised that a left wing nationalist party run by a husband and wife team, that doesn’t even tolerate public disagreement on party policy from its own MPs, would ignore and even seek to silence and criminalise criticism of its policies from the general public.

But that’s not what most posters here object to is it? They knew full well what the SNP was and supported it for years anyway. What they are now upset about is the fact that now that they disagree with the party (on this one issue) they’re the ones now being smeared, silenced and even criminalised.

Apart from that nothing has really changed at all, nothing has been learned and the same smug self satisfied sneering attitude that would mock the readers of the UK’s biggest newspaper hasn’t changed one bit. It looks to me like mumsnet feminism is full of the same dreadful bigots it always was only this time they’re not getting what they want from the powers that be and they’re really not used to that.

Decision made. Count me out, I’m not joining the Gender Critical crusade... in fact I’m deleting my account and know that I certainly won’t be missed and that feeling is well and truly mutual.

Rightyho, time to put the apron on for the Sunday roast.

@Bbthornton

If it wasn’t for this one particular policy many in this board would be the SNP’s biggest cheer leaders.

You know it’s true. They’d be fine with everything else and posting anti-tory rants on a daily basis from a place of those smug leftist feelings of moral superiority.

What on earth is the point of your post, Bb? Just here to stir?

Oh, you're away. Ah, well.

I think it's the boring bit waiting for dinner to be ready...
Och, let's go annoy a few earnest women concerned about women's rights and preventing children being sterilised and tell them they are to blame because they are left wing duffers and deserve all they get. Then shouting fucking typical! when the women try to respond and finally have an almighty flounce (dinner is ready?).

Who on earth knows, Milady? We seem to have been shouted at for some hypothetical reaction we'd have given some imaginary scenario. And for being very, very smug.

But yes, time to clear the table. Bon appetit!

To be fair, we usually get told we are right wing conservative fundamentalists. Or recently, fascists.

We need to work on our Communist profile to achieve the full political spectrum

🔨 Could only find a hammer, can I still join the party or am I not smug enough?