“Reproductive justice is not just a “women’s issue” it’s an *everyone* issue” - Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

[AngeloMysterioso]

This is after she gave an interview on CNN where she is just tripping over herself to avoid using the word women - opting for “a female or menstruating person”and “people who are not gender men”.

And now of course she’s doubling down and “wishes growth” to anyone who points out that it is, in fact, a women’s issue.

Independent link

Daily Mail link

I’m so pissed off. I liked her.

I didn't, and that was before all of this. I can't put my finger on it, but it's the same feeling I get when I watch Justin Treudeau. Something's just off.

They're fake.

In all of this noise, bullcrap, and new double speak wokewords, is that all this only works because everyone really knows who the word ‘woman’ refers to.

Transwomen couldn’t exist (or transwoman could refer to a m/f equally) if we all truly stopped knowing who were men and who were women.

People with ovaries. Unless reason to know for sure you have them. You are to assume you have because you know that females tend to have them.

This.

How does a girl who hasn't yet started menstruating, but is on the cusp, as it were, know that abortion law for menstruaters will apply to her?

You have to know exactly what a woman is for all this to make any kind of sense at all.

I wish someone would publicly ask the questions.

'Will this abortion law apply to my daughter? How can I tell?'

Is the word 'daughter' allowed under these whackjob new rules? Or is it 'non-menstruating child' and 'menstruating child'?

And what do the squad members Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar make of all this dangerous claptrap, I wonder?

Omar is on board with this nonsense, as far as I know.

That's bloody shameful.

@LobsterNapkin

I didn't, and that was before all of this. I can't put my finger on it, but it's the same feeling I get when I watch Justin Treudeau. Something's just off.

They're fake.

@lobsternapkin

Yes. I think they both try to come off as very earnest, but I feel it's fake, and I don't believe they feel as strongly as what they claim about the causes they tend to talk about. You could say the same about many politicians, but given that these two are on the left, and therefore as supposed to stand for moral purity, #bekind and all of that, it makes it stand out more. I think I've watched interviews with her and there are moments of emotion which I feel were exaggerated or faked for the cameras, like I was watching someone acting instead of real emotion.

JT is pretty regularly compared to a bad drama teacher, which is sometimes one just to be mean, but it sums up the impression he gives most of the time. AOC , yes, I agree.

I really think it's time to challenge this moral purity business. There are people across the political spectrum who have a rather poorly developed moral sense and ideology, and some who are simply self-serving. Anyone who thinks that parties like the Democrats. The Liberals in Canada, or the Labour Party aren't pragmatic or even cynical about many of their positions is deeply naive.

There are very moral people on the left of course, but where this idea that people on the right are somehow all outright unethical I have no clue, it doesn't even make sense on the face of it. Some of the most heated disagreements across the political spectrum are about questions of ethics.

Maybe it is that they think that in a disagreement with ethical dimensions, it's always about "the ethical side" and "The immoral side." That suggests that they are operating at the level of a 12 year old though.

Also - earnestness is very difficult to fake. And very off-putting when done badly.

'Non gender men'? Thought that might be a typo then saw it repeated through the thread. This is a new one on me. Does that mean women now??

Surely reproductive justice is an "everybody" issue?

But obviously it is more of a women's issue because women are the only people who can get pregnant.

@BraveBananaBadge

'Non gender men'? Thought that might be a typo then saw it repeated through the thread. This is a new one on me. Does that mean women now??

No idea.

I'm not sure what "reproductive justice" is. I mean I know she means rights to abortion and contraception and peri and post natal care - but why describe that as "reproductive justice"?

I'm getting a Willy Wonka earworm:

Who can put a shelf up?
Mix wallpaper paste?
Fit a set of spark plugs and distributor cap
.....The Gender Man Can

Reproductive justice comes up a lot as an issue for males.

There's been things about it by gay men who are pissed off that they can't get IVF (for a surrogate) on the NHS while opposite
sex couples can. They have ideas about how NHS IVF works that is not true they seem to think it's dished out everywhere pretty easily.

The fact that with an opposite sex couple, not being able to conceive means that there may well be a medical issue IE something is not working as 'normal'. While two men using a surrogate is not the same. In fact they have no idea whether she would become pregnant via their semen because they don't want her to have her connected that way to the baby they want her to carry and birth. So they are choosing to do something much more invasive to two women instead. The idea it's the same as an opposite sex couple not conceiving through piv is ludicrous.

There's also a lot of stuff about storing sperm and I've seen the argument if they do it for young cancer patients why not us. I've not seen eggs mentioned on this topic so much or at all I don't think.

So the fight for reproductive justice as a term is wide and I suppose. Saying this instead of abortion makes these things of equivalent importance.

Just had a thought.. checking.. watch this space.. could be v bad.

Ok so men's reproductive rights include arguments about

• 'male abortion'. If a woman is pregnant and she wants to keep it and the man doesn't. He should be able to legally remove himself and thus have no parental rights or responsibilities.

• 'sperm theft' - look at cases section en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_theft

• And various things when it comes to males who want to have babies

Hmmmmmm

The term reproductive rights could include any adult really. But if you want to look at it from the POV of a particular group, be it men, women, people with fertility issues, disabled people, whatever, you need to be able to name the group.