Is there any justification for a grown man to watch porn?

[BilindaB]

curious as to your replies? Are there any instances where it's 'ok'?

I'm a grown woman and watch porn . I quite like it

I'm curious why you're curious... maybe you could give your thoughts first?

Me too Assassinated and also what this has to do with “sex and gender”

I don’t think there is anything wrong in erotica or porn people have always been interested in watching others have sex, some in sex games and role play

What is wrong is the porn industry and the violence in porn becoming mainstream

We can now all view porn when ever we like this this changes in what many will get off on.

That there are so many views of porn sites informs us that many many people (majority of adults at some point are viewing porn)

We need open discussions not good people don’t watch porn that often these debates become

What about grown women?

What is your interest in women posters and porn? Please advise?
In the light of the murder of Sophie Moss by a man who strangled her to death, I am not interested in goady posts today from .........

No justification needed. Under English Law, everything is permitted unless it is prohibited.

I imagine the standard "justification" would be that he enjoys it. If you’re a grown man, surely you can do what you like (within the law) regardless of the approval or disapproval of random people on the internet? I'd think that would be one of the perks!

The justification is that he wants to and he likes it and it’s not illegal.

@MrsOvertonsWindow

What is your interest in women posters and porn? Please advise? In the light of the murder of Sophie Moss by a man who strangled her to death, I am not interested in goady posts today from .........

That poor woman. Another victim of the mainstreaming of violence in porn. The sentence is a joke.

These cases keep happening BelleOfTheProvince
Still, if the feminist board has to have a thread to satisfy someone's interest in men and porn, then let's make sure that it reflects the real life consequences for women:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4342944-The-murder-Sophie-Moss-hell-serve-4-years

There's a thread on AIBU:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4342913-To-think-its-disgusting-you-can-strangle-a-women-to-death-and-be-scentenced-to-less-than-five-years-in-prison

The porn industry is very evil. It makes a vast amount of money (the performers don't) and accounts for more Internet traffic than anything else.
Numerous studies have shown that porn use leads to lowered empathy, and a greater willingness to disbelieve rape victims. Further studies have been hard to carry out as they can't pass ethics boards due to the obvious negative effects on viewers, but it's interesting that one study used a parameter of six hours' viewing as "heavy use".
We have seen porn influence on everything, as even the word "porn" is used as a positive : eg "food porn" meaning a picture of some delicious dish. Young girls are having serious damage done to their bodies by boys whose first porn is viewed around age 9.
The fastest growing market for porn is smartphone users in India, where child rape victims' names end up top trending search items.
Men admit to searching for porn featuring a woman who looks like the last woman who pissed them off, to masturbate to a fantasy of dominating her.
All these kinds of things affect people who don't watch porn themselves.
Is a random man who watches ten minutes of pornhub in the bathroom to get off an evil beast? I don't think that's really the right question. Is accepting the existence of such a massively damaging and unaccountable industry really worth making a wank easier?

And this is a much needed campaign about men murdering women using porn as an excuse:

wecantconsenttothis.uk/

Hey, some feminists are 'sex positive' and watch porn, and don't see anything wrong with men watching it, and others are against it for many reasons. Just wondered what the opinions were in this section of the Internet, no more.

Hey, some feminists are 'sex positive' and watch porn, and don't see anything wrong with men watching it, and others are against it for many reasons. Just wondered what the opinions were in this section of the Internet, no more.
And some people buy a new wardrobe every season at Primark, but we can still discuss the consequences of fast fashion too.

Because he wants to and it's a free country.

Why don't you give your opinion/ thoughts?

And here's a reminder about one of the numerous "inclusive" organisations that self identify as sex ed experts for children and produce porn soaked materials that literally groom children into believing that extreme porn is acceptable and safe for girls and boys. Transgender Trend expose the reality of what children are being told by just one of these groups - the misnamed Proud Trust

www.transgendertrend.com/proud-trust-nothing-proud/

Is there any justification for a grown man to buy eggs from battery hens to masturbate over?

@BilindaB

Hey, some feminists are 'sex positive' and watch porn, and don't see anything wrong with men watching it, and others are against it for many reasons. Just wondered what the opinions were in this section of the Internet, no more.

Hey, what kind of feminist are you?

Btw, "sex positive" doesn't inevitably mean "pro-porn". Opposing porn doesn't make you "sex negative" somehow.

@BilindaB

Hey, some feminists are 'sex positive' and watch porn, and don't see anything wrong with men watching it, and others are against it for many reasons. Just wondered what the opinions were in this section of the Internet, no more.

Some of us are consent-positive as well, love.

extract about Linda Lovelace, most famous star of America's Golden Age of porn

The film is famous - and infamous - in myriad ways. Apart from the title (which, strangely, inspired the naming of the Watergate mole), there is the storyline (a sexually unfulfilled woman mislays her clitoris until a doctor discovers it buried in her oesophagus), and the fact that it became the most profitable film ever. It was made for $25,000 (£13,700) and has grossed more than $600m.

Federal agents tried to prosecute it out of existence. Its male star, Harry Reems, was convicted, alongside the mafia who had distributed it, for "conspiracy to transport obscene materials interstate". Perhaps, the film is most famous for starring Linda Lovelace "as herself" and her facility for fellatio.

Deep Throat and its stars were championed by an unlikely alliance of groups. Pro-pornography campaigners claimed it heralded a brave new world of sexual liberation. And for one short year it did - the most fashionable people in New York lined up outside cinemas showing the film to proclaim their sophisticated permissiveness.

When the FBI tried to close it down, Hollywood A-listers such as Warren Beatty, Shirley MacLaine and Jack Nicholson rallied to the film's support by very publicly seeing it again. And again. They went on to host benefits for Reems' legal defence fund.

When Lovelace, formerly Linda Boreman and later Linda Marchiano, alleged in 1980 that she had been forced to make the movie at gunpoint, by her husband/manager Chuck Traynor, she was in turn championed by anti-pornography feminists, led by Andrea Dworkin and Gloria Steinem, who held her up as a classic victim.

Lovelace became a born-again anti-porn campaigner, saying: "When you see the movie Deep Throat, you are watching me being raped. It is a crime that movie is still showing; there was a gun to my head the entire time." She acknowledged that she was talking of Traynor's role in the film, not that of her co-stars.

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Lovelace was paid $1,250 for the film, Reems $250. Most of the $600m profit rests with the mafia.

If there was ethical porn there might be situations where it was okay.

I don't watch it and wouldn't be comfortable with my partner watching it knowing there is a chance these women are trafficked, more likely suffer injuries during filming, raped regularly off screen.

Even some self proclaimed "intersectional feminists" acknowledge that elements of what is now mainstream porn and supported by "sex positive feminists" is problematic:

within certain sub genres of pornography, to wit, some stuff that is presented as “fetish”, the usual defense, even from many in the sex positive feminist camp, is that “people like what they like” and, as long as it is consensual, we should not question it. This kind of determinism due to preference remains unexamined, unchallenged, as if our personal taste would develop in a vacuum, devoid of any other sociocultural influence. As if we could separate ourselves from the environment where we exist. I suspect this uncritical “we like what we like” argument stems from a need to anticipate the attacks based on moralistic arguments. I understand that anything that deviates from the heteronormative and patriarchal ideas of “acceptable” is criticized on tenuous arguments involving “values” and supposed “deviance”. However, “we might like what we like” and still, that supposedly personal preference might not be as simple or as harmless as we might want to believe. Kyriarchy, after all, infiltrates even the most seemingly disconnected areas of our lives.
So, I have to ask the obvious question here: how “consensual” is some of this fetish porn when it involves extreme and brutal forms of racist degradation? Sure, we say, the women were paid for this, they agreed to be featured, they signed consent forms, they knew they were going to take part in porn. And yet, nothing prepares us for the horror involved in some of these fetish productions that Jamel Shabazz so well illustrates in this piece at Hycide, GHETTO GAGGERS: A Nation Can Rise No Higher Than It’s Womenen_. From the piece:^
I clicked on a video. As it begins, the women are asked, “Why are you here?” Many say they want cash because their boyfriends were “broke ass n***s” or because they needed money to support their children. “Ghetto Gaggers” allegedly pays $2,000. Some say they want to be porn stars. Some are college students or unemployed, and some are even pregnant. They have names like Mecca, Ashanti, Precious, Ebony, and Destiny. Maybe they are expecting to star in an erotic video, or maybe they think this is gag porn, in which women who sign a release form are humiliated and hurt to satisfy fetishistic viewers. But it’s hard to believe they expect the level of degradation that comes next, or the resulting emotional trauma.

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http://tigerbeatdown.com/2012/05/11/missing-intersectionality-in-sex-positive-feminism-the-unaddressed-racism-in-porn/

Sex positive originally was in the 70s 80s and it was about female pleasure. A revolutionary concept.

Got subverted as most of the major advances of feminism in my lifetime have. Into yay men and boys watching eg incest porn barely Asian girl gets gangbanged is awesome. If you don't agree you're a prude!

(The racism misogyny of porn is somehow given a pass).