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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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Aparallaxia · 04/09/2021 22:30

It took me ages to do this as I've supported Amnesty for 35 years and it never occurred to me that I'd come to disagree with it enough to end my donation. But I read their gender policy page:

www.amnesty.org.uk/trans-rights

and I thought, that's it, I'm done. I wrote a long letter explaining why. So far this summer I've given up the Graun, PP, NOW, and now Amnesty. I have my fingers crossed Action Aid isn't next as I love their work with women and girls.

I expect others have been through this. Suggestions for alternative charities, esp. in the US, would be helpful. I have given one-off donations to a couple and now want to set up recurring donations.

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CatherinaJTV · 06/09/2021 20:40

sure... Hmm

irresistibleoverwhelm · 06/09/2021 21:17

Just a few searches of Twitter will unearth as many posts as you want saying things like “Framing the Texas abortion ban as a women's rights issue is deeply transphobic”, “reproductive rights are not just about abortion but also about trans women’s rights”, and claiming that the use of the terms “women and girls” is “trans erasure” and “erasing trans people”. Lots of policing of the language used about the ban rather than actual opposition to it.

Found quite a few arguing that the abortion ban is actually the fault of GC feminists joining up with the religious right, too.

PotholeParadies · 06/09/2021 21:27

Abruptly, they went a little bit quiet with the "don't say girls and women, say...", after it was noticed that the anti-abortion lobby were calling Texan women "host bodies"...

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AuntieStella · 06/09/2021 21:49

Going back to the original theme of the thread, here's a charity that is really making a difference:

"Safe, private, accessible and functional toilets and water sources are fundamental prerequisites for women’s and girls’ health and wellbeing, education and participation in decision making – and therefore for their power and autonomy"

www.wateraid.org/uk/

Apart from it being a crying shame that there are still places in the world with neither clean water nor sanitation, it's also an issue that disproportionately affects women and girls

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/09/2021 22:02

I await CatherinaJTV 's instructions for women about the threads, titles, content and language they are permitting women to have on mumsnet.

Quite unbelievable how much time those who dislike women spend on here woke scolding, sniping and carping.

irresistibleoverwhelm · 06/09/2021 22:09

“If you are REALLY an ally for reproductive rights, then remember to fucking include trans people when you talk about things like abortion. When you only say “women” when talking about the abortion ban, you’re showing your true colors about who really has rights over their bodies.”

“Over the past 48 hours I’ve seen such a lack of inclusive language about gender & abortion. It’s GROSS how many “allies” are out there being as inclusive as a paperclip.
Either actually EDUCATE yourself about and FIGHT for marginalized communities, or kindly shut the fuck up 💕”

Some charming sentiments by one Twitter user (I’ll not post the link because that would be unfair); but there is a ton more posts out there like this, and not much allyship from the left-liberal TRA crowd going on for women. Lots of language policing, not much activism or humanity.

irresistibleoverwhelm · 06/09/2021 22:11

(And that’s a “he/him” by the way)

ArabellaScott · 06/09/2021 22:24

WaterAid are very careful to avoid the word 'women' in this blog post:

www.wateraid.org/uk/blog/period-bracelets

God forbid we say 'women' when we're talking about periods, eh, lads?

ArabellaScott · 06/09/2021 22:26

I like UNHCR and the Red Cross. They seem to do good work. I hope I'm not disabused of this impression but I agree that most of the larger charities are likely to have some problematic histories.

Oxfam have done so much good work, it's bloody reprehensible how they've fucked it all up when it comes to not abusing women and girls.

EyesOpening · 06/09/2021 23:18

@ArabellaScott

WaterAid are very careful to avoid the word 'women' in this blog post:

www.wateraid.org/uk/blog/period-bracelets

God forbid we say 'women' when we're talking about periods, eh, lads?

Isn't it weird how it used to words like periods that some people didn't like to hear or say, now it's words like women and girls.
ForeverFaithless · 07/09/2021 00:04

Fistula Foundation was mentioned on the original thread on charities, never knew about it previously. They do excellent work.

CatherinaJTV · 07/09/2021 11:54

@MrsOvertonsWindow

I await CatherinaJTV 's instructions for women about the threads, titles, content and language they are permitting women to have on mumsnet.

Quite unbelievable how much time those who dislike women spend on here woke scolding, sniping and carping.

oh you can all talk about what you want, but you don't get to claim that you all talk about the poor women in Texas while trans inclusive feminists don't. That was my point. I have seen more about Texas from trans inclusive feminists than I have seen on this board (or the sister board).
Quaggars · 07/09/2021 11:57

@irresistibleoverwhelm

“If you are REALLY an ally for reproductive rights, then remember to fucking include trans people when you talk about things like abortion. When you only say “women” when talking about the abortion ban, you’re showing your true colors about who really has rights over their bodies.”

“Over the past 48 hours I’ve seen such a lack of inclusive language about gender & abortion. It’s GROSS how many “allies” are out there being as inclusive as a paperclip.
Either actually EDUCATE yourself about and FIGHT for marginalized communities, or kindly shut the fuck up 💕”

Some charming sentiments by one Twitter user (I’ll not post the link because that would be unfair); but there is a ton more posts out there like this, and not much allyship from the left-liberal TRA crowd going on for women. Lots of language policing, not much activism or humanity.

On reading that, I read it as saying that people are only bothered about bodily autonomy when it comes to women and abortion (which of course is hugely important and we should always have choice over our bodies and what happens to it as women!) They're just saying bodily autonomy is important for ALL, laws affect everyone including trans people when it comes to bodily autonomy laws. Which is a fair point
irresistibleoverwhelm · 07/09/2021 12:05

@Quaggars unfortunately that would be by far too generous a view of that particular he/him person’s Twitter account, which makes it more than clear that his support for women is conditional on them prioritising trans feelings. Plenty more where that came from, too, all over tumblr, Twitter, etc.

However generously you want to interpret it, however, it cannot be denied that it’s the policing of how women are “allowed” to speak about the issue that’s upfront and right there in our faces.

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2021 12:06

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/09/2021 12:23

On reading that, I read it as saying that people are only bothered about bodily autonomy when it comes to women and abortion (which of course is hugely important and we should always have choice over our bodies and what happens to it as women!)
They're just saying bodily autonomy is important for ALL, laws affect everyone including trans people when it comes to bodily autonomy laws.

That's not what it means. It means including "men" as people who have abortions. That's why it references "inclusive language about gender and abortion".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/09/2021 12:25

I have seen more about Texas from trans inclusive feminists than I have seen on this board (or the sister board).

I thought the sister board was for all the "trans inclusive feminists"? Confused

Quaggars · 07/09/2021 23:24

That's why it references inclusive language about gender and abortion

OK, I say its that as well but also there's nothing wrong with asking for inclusive language to include '' men'' (using quotation as you did) as its to be more inclusive towards trans men (ie born biologically female)

irresistibleoverwhelm · 08/09/2021 01:29

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VikingVolva · 08/09/2021 06:20

Are you in the wrong place…?

Why would they be?

Remember the topic title is 'discussion' and not everyone is anti trans, and not everyone who says that is an invader only here to disrupt. That belief is clear from later posts too. And in the context of what has actually been posted on this thread is disproportionate.

And if the response is going to be along the lines of 'well people have disrupted elsewhere' (as it usually is) that shows siege mentality

irresistibleoverwhelm · 08/09/2021 08:22

Er…? Why was my post deleted mn? Nothing I said was in any respect against the guidelines. That’s absolutely ridiculous. Shall I rephrase it? Here we go:

OK, I say its that as well but also there's nothing wrong with asking for inclusive language to include '' men'' (using quotation as you did) as its to be more inclusive towards trans men (ie born biologically female)

We know why. Lots of people on this board disagree with you though.

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