Late to the party: cancelled my AI monthly donation

[Aparallaxia]

It took me ages to do this as I've supported Amnesty for 35 years and it never occurred to me that I'd come to disagree with it enough to end my donation. But I read their gender policy page:

www.amnesty.org.uk/trans-rights

and I thought, that's it, I'm done. I wrote a long letter explaining why. So far this summer I've given up the Graun, PP, NOW, and now Amnesty. I have my fingers crossed Action Aid isn't next as I love their work with women and girls.

I expect others have been through this. Suggestions for alternative charities, esp. in the US, would be helpful. I have given one-off donations to a couple and now want to set up recurring donations.

Have you read that thread yet, Barheim?

Any comments to make? Or are you about to tell us that it's unfeminist to care about those issues?

This is the GC feminist board. There’s a long long history of feminism that is focused on biological sex, and not historically very much so far that isn’t.

Was the feminism somewhere in between arguing that women should take out the trash for their poor husbands or can't wear too revealing clothes, otherwise they're responsible for men's acts towards them?

@Barheim

This is the GC feminist board. There’s a long long history of feminism that is focused on biological sex, and not historically very much so far that isn’t.

Was the feminism somewhere in between arguing that women should take out the trash for their poor husbands or can't wear too revealing clothes, otherwise they're responsible for men's acts towards them?

This really doesn’t make much sense - what exactly are you trying to say?

This really doesn’t make much sense - what exactly are you trying to say?

That this place is misogynistic.

You've probably got your mumsnet account mixed up with your reddit account.

The only people round 'ere who say clothing decisions make you responsible for men's acts towards you are our resident trans activists.

@Barheim

This really doesn’t make much sense - what exactly are you trying to say?

That this place is misogynistic.

It doesn’t sound like you know much yet about either feminism or mumsnet - but all of the feminist boards here are great resources and I really recommend staying a while and reading some of the resource threads. The posters here are extremely well informed and educated in the history and theory - and the practical experience - of feminism and feminist activism: you could learn a lot.

There's a big difference between being women centered and misogyny.

@Barheim

This really doesn’t make much sense - what exactly are you trying to say?

That this place is misogynistic.

Anyway, to get away from the derail - honestly, every bloody time, along comes some berk to steer us off course - the Centre for Women's Justice sounds amazing. I will check them out over breakfast.

I've cancelled the direct debits I used to have for several big charities, for various reasons. I prefer to help out smaller charities which have fewer overheads and therefore get to spend a bigger proportion of their funds on the cause they're set up for.

Jeez, Barheim, give it a rest. Or at least stop bringing gender into every bloody discussion about biological sex.
Yes, transwomen are the gender they say they are. No, that does not mean women focused charities needs to include them as they are oriented around women as a sex class. Gender is not sex.

I’ve cancelled every major charity donation and focussing on the various legal cases and small local charities at the moment.

Particularly disappointed in MacMillan who have removed almost all use of the terms women and woman on their website.

@Perpop

I’m genuinely confused. You cancelled because they support trans rights? Really?

it does have significant "are we the bad guys" vibes, doesn't it?

Just putting in a word for Medecins Sans Frontieres, a good organisation which doesn't seem to have drifted from its original principles and goals.

@CatherinaJTV - let me ask you a question, if you don’t mind.

I have seen vastly more posts on social media from supposed left wing gender activists policing the language used about the Texas abortion ban (eg.: “abortion is not a women’s issue it’s a people’s issue”; policing and replacing the use of “women” with “people with uteruses” and so on), than I have posts protesting about the actual ban itself.

All of the fight back on the ban that I can see is coming from radfem and GC accounts.

I can’t seem to see a great swell of trans rights activists campaigning for women on this issue. Can you?

Can you tell me why trans rights and gender activists don’t seem very bothered about the Texas abortion ban?

Are trans rights activists feminist?

@Barheim

This really doesn’t make much sense - what exactly are you trying to say?

That this place is misogynistic.

This has to be the best criticism of FWR I've ever seen. Waaaah, what about the menz?

Feminism - by women for women, why is that so hard for people to understand?

@Barheim

This really doesn’t make much sense - what exactly are you trying to say?

That this place is misogynistic.

Do you harass the Dog's Trust because they don't centre cats?

What about Age Action, do you criticise them for not campaigning for younger people?

Or is only women who are always ALWAYS expected to centre others. Even on the Feminist board...of a predominantly women's website .

[quote irresistibleoverwhelm]@CatherinaJTV - let me ask you a question, if you don’t mind.

I have seen vastly more posts on social media from supposed left wing gender activists policing the language used about the Texas abortion ban (eg.: “abortion is not a women’s issue it’s a people’s issue”; policing and replacing the use of “women” with “people with uteruses” and so on), than I have posts protesting about the actual ban itself.

All of the fight back on the ban that I can see is coming from radfem and GC accounts.

I can’t seem to see a great swell of trans rights activists campaigning for women on this issue. Can you?

Can you tell me why trans rights and gender activists don’t seem very bothered about the Texas abortion ban?

Are trans rights activists feminist?[/quote]
I saw a man on twitter boasting that he wouldn't boost/retweet threads on practical measures to take for women in Texas if they only talked about women, and didn't explicitly mention transmen and non-binaries.

I'm sure he thinks he's on the side of the angels. I don't.

Yes, I suspect if we are waiting for trans rights activists to be showing their feminist ally-ship to women over abortion rights, the crushing weight of silence and tumbleweed blowing past will overwhelm us long before.

[quote irresistibleoverwhelm]@CatherinaJTV - let me ask you a question, if you don’t mind.

I have seen vastly more posts on social media from supposed left wing gender activists policing the language used about the Texas abortion ban (eg.: “abortion is not a women’s issue it’s a people’s issue”; policing and replacing the use of “women” with “people with uteruses” and so on), than I have posts protesting about the actual ban itself.

All of the fight back on the ban that I can see is coming from radfem and GC accounts.

I can’t seem to see a great swell of trans rights activists campaigning for women on this issue. Can you?

Can you tell me why trans rights and gender activists don’t seem very bothered about the Texas abortion ban?

Are trans rights activists feminist?[/quote]
Yes, I have seen ALL trans inclusive feminists and trans women, speak up about Texas and women's rights. You may just follow the wrong accounts. Then you make up things in your head, like that trans inclusive feminists and trans people aren't bothered about the abortion ban and ask me to comment/get upset about it.

Trans rights activists are feminists. Of course they are. Look at Mona Eltahawy for example.

to add to that - on the first two pages of this board - there is ONE visible Texas thread, with 18 posts.

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@CatherinaJTV

to add to that - on the first two pages of this board - there is ONE visible Texas thread, with 18 posts.

Dearie me. You seem to have forgotten that we have TWO feminism boards. Do you not use the special board for enthusiastic feminists who want to avoid gender discussion, then?

It currently has 144 posts. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/feminism/4337109-worrying-texas-state-abortion-laws?pg=6

one thread.

Trans rights activists are feminists. Of course they are.

Is Owen Jones a feminist? Shon Faye? Andrea Long Chu? Robin Moira White?

Funny, because I’m not just looking at accounts I personally follow, but I’m trawling all of Tumblr and Twitter and just not seeing this great surge of trans activism on the abortion ban, so can you point us to it? I am seeing, as a poster above pointed out, a lot of policing around what kinds of things “activists” are allowed to say about reproductive rights, and the conditionality of their support on women using the “right” terms and vocabulary, however.

It’s funny how the interests of TRAs and the religious right coincide on the abortion ban. Because if some “men” can get pregnant, then abortion is no longer a women’s issue, and men get to have a say as well, don’t they.

A quick advanced search on this topic shows many threads in different parts of the site, eg AIBU, chat and so on, which have been posted on by many posters who regularly post here too. It has also been mentioned on threads where the topic isn't obviously connected to those precise terms.