A clarification from Lancashire Police on Hate Incidents

[PurgatoryOfPotholes]

Lancashire Police on twitter: Hi Jamesy, this is really disappointing to see 😞 We were made aware on the day, they were removed immediately and there were no further issues during the event. We take reports like this extremely seriously and have recorded it as a hate incident. Thanks

twitter.com/LancsPolice/status/1430115489037135872?s=19

The "it" in question?

Some bright pink stickers on lamp-posts and other street furniture.

You can see some pictures of them here.
twitter.com/Jamesliamcraig/status/1429828071977361414?s=19

So this is useful information on what qualifies as a "hate incident".

Meanwhile men raping women doesn't qualify as a hate incident, does it.

@GeorgiaMcGraw

Which bit of Lancashire was it, do we know? I guess it doesn't matter, I'm a Hate Criminal wherever because I know there are two sexes, women need some single sex spaces, gay men don't need to date females and lesbians don't need to date males, no matter anyone's "identity". Clown world.

Lancaster, I think.

@saucery Of course it was Lancaster. Of course. I went to "Pride" a couple of years back and saw men in doggy gimp masks crawling around a marquee full of board games and children. I saw a photo of them later, one of the men had an erection. I didn't stay long enough to see the women get boo'd out of the place for saying things like "lesbians don't have penises". It's the problem with being a Uni town. A lot of nonsense now, and well-meaning people who still don't see past the cheerful music and rainbows.

Ah yes, I remember the safeguarding concerns around that behaviour at the time.

@Carboncheque

To me, straight, middle aged woman that I am, pride is a celebration of being yourself when both historically and currently so many people have had to hide who they are for fear of criminal prosecution, violence, abuse and direct discrimination.

Maybe that's what it used to be.

But not any more.

Yes, sitting with an erection in a tent dressed as a dog while children play around you is fine for Lancaster Pride, but a sticker affirming biological reality is a “shitty thing to do”.

We don't know who put those stickers up, or when they did it, but the argument that it shouldn't have been done at Pride is bothering me.

Pride is supposed to be about L, G and B, and for all we know, it could have placed there by a lesbian who is sick to death of being told she's transphobic for not finding transwomen sexually attractive.

From that point of view, surely Pride (a time to celebrate your sexual orientation and to refuse to feel ashamed of not being heterosexual) is exactly the time you'd want to put a few stickers up?

Doesn't she have just as much right to say TWAM as others at Pride have the right to carry signs saying TWAW? For her personal safety, she can't carry a sign, so stickers are the only way for her to express her views at Pride.

No one knows who put the sticker up.

There is scepticism from presumably standard people on the police Twitter that there were hundreds. For a variety of reasons.

@NiceGerbil

No one knows who put the sticker up.

There is scepticism from presumably standard people on the police Twitter that there were hundreds. For a variety of reasons.

Enquiring minds would be grateful for the name of the de-gooing/de-sticky label removing product that had such enviable results. (I might have just been having my usual wistful pick at the bottom of a container that has had 4 years worth of passing through a dishwasher and still has remnants despite WD40, boracic acid (substitute), citric acid and 95% acetic acid.)

@happydays2345

Of course it is a hate incident, it's stickers which are targeting, and abusing a small group of people. How can you not see that?

I read it as defensive rather than offensive.

Most of the general public don't know that a large majority of TW have penises, so it is context for women's concerns re TRA demands that male-bodied people have full access to women's sex-based safe spaces.

The larger concern that there is no practical criterion for determining which male-appearing individuals may access that right and which may not - thereby making those spaces in practice open to a much larger group of people, ie any and all men - is more difficult to get across in a few words.

If it expresses a 'phobia' then it's androphobia, not transphobia. And that fear is neither extreme nor irrational.

I think the sticker is shitty fwiw.

Given that stickers saying women don't wheest (sorry spelling not sure!), Woman defn adult human female are removed by police considered hate incidents etc there's no need for it.

The fact is no one knows who put it up. Could have had a number of different motivations.

Assuming it was a woman who believes sex > gender is biased in itself. It could have been. But maybe not. So there's that.

FGS.

It's not abusing a man, to say that he's a man.

It's a simple statement of fact.

How did we get here?

They are currently asking for feedback on their Facebook communications
That's a coincidence, so is my local force. Must be a national initiative.

I just checked and it is a national initiative. Surrey Police coordinating replies apparently.

The assumption that it must have been by a certain sort of person with a specific view is interesting.

And hundreds surely they have CCTV (as someone on the police Twitter pointed out) and so police can investigate.

More news on Lancashire Police.

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In 2017 for example Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services (HMICFRS)conducted a crime data integrity inspectionof Lancashire Constabulary and found the force was ‘inadequate’ in its crime recording.

To be fair, it had improved by 2019, albeit with some work to do

It recognises that it still does not record some reports of crime and that it must work to make sure it records:

all reports of rape;

crimes associated with domestic abuse; and

crimes committed against vulnerable people which third party professionals report.

So its good to know that Lancashire must consider itself now on top of reports and investigation into rape given that it now has time to take stickers stating a biological fact ‘extremely seriously’.

Continues: sarahphillimore.substack.com/p/i-reported-myself-to-the-police-for

What the evergrowing triffid? They weren't recording all the reports of rape as recently as 20-bloody-19?

Interesting thread from a self-identified 'male copper' (archived because tweets have gone missing already from thread reader):

The scale of male violence against women is mind blowing. I'm not going to c&p stats but it's a pandemic that's been killing women for millenia. There are anti DA campaigns and people wearing pins etc but nothing like the scale of mass mobilisation that this pandemic requires…
As cops we can't speak out publicly because rightly we are not allowed to get involved in politics. But be clear the overwhelming number of cops don't accept TWAW. We want to protect TW like we want to protect the rest of the population. That's not done by undermining women [continues]

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210824004447/threadreaderapp.com/thread/1238104270920171520.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20210824004447/threadreaderapp.com/thread/1238104270920171520.html

Carbon If TW can publicly, safely claim they are women, then women should be able to claim publicly, safely they aren't, not least because (a) they aren't and (b) TW are not merely claiming they are women, they are actively seeking to eliminate all barriers to full entry into women's and girls' spaces by virtue of self-ID only.

Unfortunately, women are not able to claim publicly, safely that TWAM. If you know MN, you will not need to be pointed to evidence that this is the case. Lesbians have had to find secret ways to meet up free of bepenised soi-disants lesbians, while GC feminists have had to create alternative websites such as Ovarit and Spinster b/c reddit is fine with porn, MRA, TRA, but not with women who say women are women and TW aren't.

If this were literally a war, it would be "asymmetrical warfare". As we GC feminists are a liberal, civilized, peaceful bunch, we don't bomb things; we would never even dream of saying immoral, terrible things such as "Hurt/Kill all TW" even if our opponents do in fact regularly say immoral, terrible things along the lines of "Hurt/Kill all t**fs".

Instead, we put stickers on things. If we're feeling especially brave, we wear a T-shirt.

The gay man who got harassed at the Manchester Pride march because he didn't put the T front and centre as per the Little Pink Book may now understand why GC women do this.

Thanks for that archived thread EmbarrassingAdmissions!

As for your sticker residue problem, I use oil to get these off. Like olive oil on a soft cloth or kitchen towel, so you get a little bit of friction, then rub over the glue. Once the glue has come off, you just clean off the oil.

Same works for plasters that you don't want to pull off. Put oil on it and it makes the plaster less sticky.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Lancashire Police on twitter: Hi Jamesy, this is really disappointing to see 😞 We were made aware on the day, they were removed immediately and there were no further issues during the event. We take reports like this extremely seriously and have recorded it as a hate incident. Thanks

twitter.com/LancsPolice/status/1430115489037135872?s=19

The "it" in question?

Some bright pink stickers on lamp-posts and other street furniture.

You can see some pictures of them here.
twitter.com/Jamesliamcraig/status/1429828071977361414?s=19

So this is useful information on what qualifies as a "hate incident".

Meanwhile men raping women doesn't qualify as a hate incident, does it.

The answer is both are hate incidents.

Stickering is flytipping, and when you do it with the aim to hurt a minority or group of people in society then that is truly wicked and deserves police attention.

Now the penalty for rape versus stickering differs due to the nature of the crimes (direct violence versus indirect).

But it's still hatred, and deserving of time tracking down the culprits - be they GC or Trans.

But who is actually getting penalized Mishy? It’s certainly not the men who daily threaten women who disagree with them . I have never seen a death threat from women towards anyone male in the same way. We do not get support from the police. We are used to it . We know who is doing what to whom. You are mistaken

Meanwhile Thames Valley police also can’t/won’t clarify what is a hate crime:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4338577-Latest-from-Fair-Cop-Thames-Valley-police

Everything is a hate incident. Because someone somewhere is always offended by something, even on someone else’s behalf. Someone can always feel as if they’re being “targeted”. So now protest is a hate incident. Saying no is a hate incident. Defining boundaries is a hate incident. A hat is a hate incident. A t-shirt is a hate incident. Stating biological reality is a hate incident. Wearing purple is a hate incident.

It’s a concept that has been utterly trivialised, which is why people seem to think rape and stickers stating biological reality as a form of protest are comparable. I can’t imagine what goes through the mind of someone who thinks rape and stickering are the same, but empathy certainly isn’t involved.

Mishy

Flytipping? You mean fly- posting.

No, targeting women for violence because they are women does not qualify as a hate crime. We are not a protected category, because violence against women is so prevalent it's too much hassle to deal with. In fact, as recorded later in this thread, not only does it not get counted as a hate crime of any type, Lancashire Police don't record all rapes reported to them under the heading of rape.

And no, stickers are not indirect violence. Even if they are feminist stickers instead of stickers advertising random DJs.

@NotBadConsidering

Everything is a hate incident. Because someone somewhere is always offended by something, even on someone else’s behalf. Someone can always feel as if they’re being “targeted”. So now protest is a hate incident. Saying no is a hate incident. Defining boundaries is a hate incident. A hat is a hate incident. A t-shirt is a hate incident. Stating biological reality is a hate incident. Wearing purple is a hate incident.

It’s a concept that has been utterly trivialised, which is why people seem to think rape and stickers stating biological reality as a form of protest are comparable. I can’t imagine what goes through the mind of someone who thinks rape and stickering are the same, but empathy certainly isn’t involved.

Not everything is a hate incident as we are not all equal. Hate incidents against women don't count.

Great placard at Scottish Demo

" Cheese is better protected than Women"

Unfortunately it is true.