A clarification from Lancashire Police on Hate Incidents

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Lancashire Police on twitter: Hi Jamesy, this is really disappointing to see 😞 We were made aware on the day, they were removed immediately and there were no further issues during the event. We take reports like this extremely seriously and have recorded it as a hate incident. Thanks

twitter.com/LancsPolice/status/1430115489037135872?s=19

The "it" in question?

Some bright pink stickers on lamp-posts and other street furniture.

You can see some pictures of them here.
twitter.com/Jamesliamcraig/status/1429828071977361414?s=19

So this is useful information on what qualifies as a "hate incident".

Meanwhile men raping women doesn't qualify as a hate incident, does it.

(excuse SPAG errors, need more sleep.)

You can 100% guarantee that the people who monitor this forum will have logged posts they find offensive as hate incidents. Or all of Mumsnet. I could have a hate incident logged against my user name for all I know. Biological reality, facts, “misgendering”. Limericks, calling your cat a Methodist:

thecritic.co.uk/the-british-twitter-stasi/

It’s a system that has been abused in an attempt to silence people standing up for women’s rights.

I also think it’s worth noting that large groups of people can be abused, and small groups often hold power. A very small group of people went to Eton. Billionaires are a minority.

Historically ‘being in a large group’ hasn’t protected women from being excluded from education and work, regardless of how they present or identify. Women need language to refer to sex.

Some people seem to latch onto the idea of marginalised minorities as though it’s never occurred to them that it’s possible to take away the rights of a majority.

Do Methodist cats have dog-collars?

Or catsocks?

Covering a place that’s about to host a pride event with those stickers is a shitty thing to do. I’m not TWAW, I’m TW are TW. Those stickers aren’t about protecting sex-based rights for women they’re just targeting TW at an event that’s going to be attended by lots of TW.

@Carboncheque

Covering a place that’s about to host a pride event with those stickers is a shitty thing to do. I’m not TWAW, I’m TW are TW. Those stickers aren’t about protecting sex-based rights for women they’re just targeting TW at an event that’s going to be attended by lots of TW.

What is pride though if not a political event demanding TWAW, that women must not define themselves, that their sex based rights must be removed? I find that hateful. Why should it not be contested?

To me, straight, middle aged woman that I am, pride is a celebration of being yourself when both historically and currently so many people have had to hide who they are for fear of criminal prosecution, violence, abuse and direct discrimination.

Fgs.

Police policing biological fact. I'm.glad there are no murders, rapes, robberies, assults etc that need investigating and they are so bored they are spending time trying to erase reality from being visible. Perhaps they can pass on the tips to other police forced of how to work through their case load.

Yes, but nothing gives TW the right to stamp all over women's rights, does it?

And claiming that TW are women does exactly that - sports, prisons, refuges.

Coz in case you haven't noticed women suffer abuse, violence and direct discrimination. Because they are women. And in some places face prosecution if they say the wrong thing.

That was to @Carboncheque

I completely understand that. I don’t think those stickers in that place are going to have any positive impact on single sex prisons, sports or refuges. Do you?

Knowing a number of Lancashire police officers, that post will not represent their true views but will be what they’re made to say for PR reasons

I wonder if they realise they have lost the faith and the respect of the public these days. That literally no one expects the police to be interested or show up or feels its even worth the hassle bothering to call them any more because they are creating a hostile barrier between us and them witg shit like this.

So people are allowed to match in the streets proudly shouting and carrying banners proclaiming the misogynistic, homophobic slogan “Transwomen are women!” but someone puts a sticker on a lamppost saying actually, no they’re not, and it’s a “shitty thing to do”?

Aye, alright then .

One poxy sticker. Even if it’s more than one, when do the rest of us get to protest and state reality? It’s always called hateful and a “shitty thing to do” whether it’s discussing it here, on Twitter, or in real life. There’s never a time stating reality isn’t deemed a “shitty thing to do” by those that wish to silence the rest of us, so I don’t see why stating reality at Pride in one sticker on a lamppost should matter.

It’s a biological fact that has somehow been required to become a political statement to counter the opposite statement: “TWAW”. If people are allowed to post “TWAW” wherever they want and as abusively as they want, then people can counter that with the reality of “TWAM”.

@Carboncheque

To me, straight, middle aged woman that I am, pride is a celebration of being yourself when both historically and currently so many people have had to hide who they are for fear of criminal prosecution, violence, abuse and direct discrimination.

What if being yourself means being a woman who refuses to have sex with men? What if stating that preference means that some people believe you deserve criminal prosecution?

Valid concerns. I don’t think they’re addressed by putting those stickers in that place.

@Carboncheque

I completely understand that. I don’t think those stickers in that place are going to have any positive impact on single sex prisons, sports or refuges. Do you?

Well, if you say it on Twitter you get doxxed and banned, if you say it on MN you'll end up with strikes and an eventual ban...

The options are shrinking.

Stickers have been a form of protest for a long time.

@Carboncheque

Valid concerns. I don’t think they’re addressed by putting those stickers in that place.

But why would a banner saying ‘transwomen are women’ be less political?

I understand why stickers have been used as a way of raising awareness. Specifically targeting a pride event with those particular sticker isn’t going to change anyone’s mind.

I understand why stickers have been used as a way of raising awareness. Specifically targeting a pride event with those particular sticker isn’t going to change anyone’s mind

So? It just shows women aren't going to sit back.and let males tell women what a woman is. You wouldn't be telling us to " be kind" aka let men do what they want all the time would you ?

I think that the wording of those stickers and the location chosen makes it personal rather than political. Targeting an event that’s going to be attended by lots of TW with those stickers isn’t an attempt to change anyone’s mind.

I know that it’s just my view and that lots of people on here will disagree with it, but that’s how I feel.

Its in no different a location than a bunch of people with banners telling women that lesbiams cab have a penis amd a woman isna feeling inside someones head.

Why are their feelings more important than our reality?

Why cab that do that but we can't put a sticker.

Who benefits ?

One poxy sticker.

It seems to have been a straggler from "hundreds" that had been cleared earlier. I have to assume the adhesive was quite poor so they could be removed easily and leaving little behind.

I'm also impressed that a "lovely security guard" helped James as that's not my usual experience of them when an agency is hired to steward an event etc.

I don’t think they’re addressed by putting those stickers in that place.

I'd happily not see flyposting anywhere however other people choose to make their marketing/polemic decisions without consulting me on this matter.

I'd be impressed if the Council Environmental services had the resources to remove all of this stuff on a regular basis. I accept that they don't.

Stickers have been a form of protest for a long time.

I don't know what might replace them despite technological advances.

Targeting an event that’s going to be attended by lots of TW with those stickers isn’t an attempt to change anyone’s mind.

And are lesbians who want to express an opinion on a current political issue to be excluded from this event? When did Pride stop being political?

Which bit of Lancashire was it, do we know? I guess it doesn't matter, I'm a Hate Criminal wherever because I know there are two sexes, women need some single sex spaces, gay men don't need to date females and lesbians don't need to date males, no matter anyone's "identity". Clown world.

So just to get this straight.

Putting up a few stickers saying 'Transwomen are male' in a place and at a time where some transwomen will see them is a hate incident and unkind.

Taking over a charity and public events like Pride that used to work for LGB rights and visibility and turning them into trans rights campaigns, including telling same-sex attracted people that they are bigots, waving banners that say 'Trans women are women' and chanting same, hounding out a gay man wearing a LGB Alliance t-shirt - that's all fine, and the LGB people who feel excluded, bullied and unrepresented are just being silly.

Got it.