Absolutely sick of the terms birth parents and chest feeding

[PTPmum]

Honestly. Are there other peer supporters, counsellors, midwives, health visitors etc who feel in a similar position?

I am really passionate about breastfeeding and have been since having my kids. I got a lot of support from counsellors and lactation consultants when my first was born and I have wanted to "give back" for lack of a better phrase since then. I've been keen to volunteer and help other mums but I feel as if the breastfeeding support groups have just been infiltrated with all of this trans nonsense and they spend more time worrying about offending people with the terms mother and breastfeeding as opposed to focusing on the probably what? 99.5% of people who are standard women, have given birth to a baby and want help BREASTFEEDING.

These organisations are already chronically underfunded and under supported in this country and I'm finding it so hard to be enthusiastic about the training because they are constantly bombarding us with images from LGBT groups and "queer birth clubs" it just makes me sad because this is something I was so keen to do and it's just another aspect of our society being taken over by this trans mentalism.

I have name changed for this post for obvious reasons.

The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists are advertising for a "Patient and Public Involvement Officer".

www.rcog-careers.org/live-roles/ppi-officer

Would be great to have someone who will make sure these reductive terms are never adopted by the RCOG as well as the great opportunity to help improvements in health and healthcare for women.

twitter.com/rosiemayw_/status/1430810705725427718?s=21

I've been banned from countless breastfeeding groups online for questioning so-called "inclusive" language like chestfeeding.

It's exhausting and upsetting.

Thinking about it, there is something we could possibly do. I'd be happy to draft a letter laying out why such language is damaging to women. If we can get some signatures from mothers, midwives, and health professionals, we could sent it to all of the groups and organisations that use this language, as well as circulating it publicly.

None of this makes sense. If a woman decides to completely reject her female body and declare she is a man, then (if that is a genuine belief on the now-his part) it is completely inconceivable (pun not intended) that he would then just ignore this for nine months plus to gestate and feed a child. Not buying it. It would be such a huge car crash launched into his/her psyche that it could never end well - we are told simply using the wrong name is triggering, how about living the whole messy physical reality? I don’t see this being led by trans men, rather the TRAs that want to negate women entirely - but would be very grateful if anyone has any relevant links to prove me wrong.

Any known cases of calls to tesitcle-havers to check their prostates?

Pregnancy and giving birth absolutely ravages your body, way of life and psyche in a way that is exclusively female by definition.

I can't imagine someone who is uncomfortable with a female body navigating those waters well, when many of us struggle without existing mental health issues.

So I can't see this really benefiting anyone. In fact, as someone who suffered pnd, I have to wonder if not being referred to as a mother could contribute to any pnd. I know for me the word mother helped me connect with my baby.

Well done for caring about new mums op.

@Jaysmith71

Any known cases of calls to tesitcle-havers to check their prostates?

If you look on Prostate Cancer’s Twitter account, it’s full of the word man/men, they even have a hashtag #MenWeAreWithYou and are busy promoting Jeff Stelling’s March For Men, with their “Man of Men” badges, no “people with a prostate” for them and no sign of anyone demanding they change their language. twitter.com/prostateuk?s=21

I completely agree about going back to the drawing board with regard to organisations. I would like to see a transnational initiative to connect woman-centred birth and breastfeeding support. With the technologies that have moved education online, it would me a way of accessing 24/7 support - face to face via zoom or some other platform.

I think that the admin part would be to verify the accreditation to join the platform and maybe each participant who are for profit paying a fee to keep the platform running smoothly and those offering volunteer groups to pay an annual subscription fee, possibly with support from fee payers too.

This is just my blue sky thoughts.

The Breastfeeding Network had a huge upset over the weekend I think because of using the word 'families'. It's been further explained in this blog. It seems like where they mean 'mother' and/or 'woman', has been lost in translation because as you know, saying either of those words are nearly verboten so the ire of the social justice activists isn't inflamed.

yolandaforster.substack.com/p/social-justice-lactators-are-eating

[quote ixqik]I completely agree about going back to the drawing board with regard to organisations. I would like to see a transnational initiative to connect woman-centred birth and breastfeeding support. With the technologies that have moved education online, it would me a way of accessing 24/7 support - face to face via zoom or some other platform.

I think that the admin part would be to verify the accreditation to join the platform and maybe each participant who are for profit paying a fee to keep the platform running smoothly and those offering volunteer groups to pay an annual subscription fee, possibly with support from fee payers too.

This is just my blue sky thoughts.

The Breastfeeding Network had a huge upset over the weekend I think because of using the word 'families'. It's been further explained in this blog. It seems like where they mean 'mother' and/or 'woman', has been lost in translation because as you know, saying either of those words are nearly verboten so the ire of the social justice activists isn't inflamed.

yolandaforster.substack.com/p/social-justice-lactators-are-eating[/quote]
Thank you so much for this.

I seen the post on the Bfn Facebook page however I had missed the post that had caused all of the offence so I was really intrigued to find out the reasons behind it.

Words escape me really. I am completely and utterly appalled by everything that I have seen go on with the breastfeeding organisations. It is so disheartening.

I would like to thank everyone for the replies on here. It really has reminded me that I am not alone in my feelings.

I have decided I am going to bite my tongue best I can and complete the training. Once qualified it is my plan to break away completely from the organisation and look at what my options are.

PTPMum, I am so glad that you have decided to complete your training! Mothers and babies need as many of us as possible willing to advocate for them and support them. I am confident that new groups will emerge.

Whilst searching for groups which are for mothers and use woman centred language I came across this, obviously not for everyone due to the religious emphasis but I did wonder if it was set up by some in the states who could see early on which way the wind was blowing in La Leche League USA. The Catholic Church, unlike the Church of England, does not believe that human beings can change sex.

www.catholicbreastfeeding.org/about.html

Here is a reminder about how far LLLUSA has gone in obscuring mothers and mothering

lllusa.org/about-us/

Mothers who have religious beliefs as well as those who are feminists and those who simply find so called ‘inclusive’ or gender neutral confusing or offensive are all going to be looking for woman centred groups offering support during childbearing.

Doh “‘inclusive’ or gender neutral language”, I left out the word language

Too early in the morning!

Wow, so on that BFN post about Black Breastfeeding Week, they don’t show the fathers in the other three photos, so for all we know, they could be white too but that wouldn’t be a problem, even though they’re talking about FAMILIES? It’s almost as if it’s really about the person doing the actual breastfeeding!

Agree its not about going triggered
It's about control and enforcing an ideology
Does anyone really believe a female with dysphoria can overcome that to do the most female thing possible, giving birth and breathing feeding, but be triggered by calling it breast feeding 🤔

I find it helpful and reassuring to look at publications from professional organisations such as the RCOG, RCM, NICE, MBRRACE and note that they all exclusively use the terms WOMAN/WOMEN, MOTHERS.

Not a menstruator in sight.

Charities would do well to listen to the professionals and take their lead from them and I wouldn't hesitate to tell them so.

Of course if the big organisations fall we are all lost but let's hope the tide turns and common sense returns before our professional organisations catch the madness.

www.nice.org.uk/guidance/qs37/chapter/Quality-statement-9-Emotional-wellbeing-and-bonding-with-the-baby

Bother. It looks like I am only able to post one screenshot at a time.
Sorry. It won't let me post more.

Me too... Women need to be able to talk about their bodies, the processes they are going through and their feelings, freely and without censorship. The care they get around birth and breastfeeding needs to be women centred as recognised in 1998 but we still find ourselves with inadequate care where women are not listened to in terms of their pain and their needs. When women understand what they are going through, they are better prepared for what is happening and better able to make decisions. If we are unable to speak in biological terms, we are unable to properly support women. All birth workers know this and it is incomprehensible that women supporting other women are unable to see the bigger voice in this narrative and the lies that this is about inclusion, that they put the needs of one or two poster parents that are paraded in the birth world as representing a whole host of excluded people when this is a lie and the people they are day in day out in their jobs are the ones they need to reach, engage with and support. What infuriates me even more is how the oppressed non binary groups are presented alongside the problems faced by black and brown women in the birthing world and the linking the emotions we feel about ensuring adequate care for every woman is hijacked and bolted on to inclusive language that seeks to exclude women.

Just reviving the thread to add a couple of clips from USA of men who just cannot say the word WOMAN and a new low with "Host Body".

When I saw the first clip of Xavier Becerra thing himself in knots to avoid using the word WOMAN I sent him and Senator Lankford postcards with the dictionary definition.

twitter.com/thehill/status/1403717725885812741?s=21

I find postcards really useful as they are so easy to quickly write a few words and post, whereas a well planned letter takes me much longer.

So I'll be sending another one to Jose Oliva. If anyone has a spare postcard he's a worthy recipient.

twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1433944503258210304?s=21