Absolutely sick of the terms birth parents and chest feeding

[PTPmum]

Honestly. Are there other peer supporters, counsellors, midwives, health visitors etc who feel in a similar position?

I am really passionate about breastfeeding and have been since having my kids. I got a lot of support from counsellors and lactation consultants when my first was born and I have wanted to "give back" for lack of a better phrase since then. I've been keen to volunteer and help other mums but I feel as if the breastfeeding support groups have just been infiltrated with all of this trans nonsense and they spend more time worrying about offending people with the terms mother and breastfeeding as opposed to focusing on the probably what? 99.5% of people who are standard women, have given birth to a baby and want help BREASTFEEDING.

These organisations are already chronically underfunded and under supported in this country and I'm finding it so hard to be enthusiastic about the training because they are constantly bombarding us with images from LGBT groups and "queer birth clubs" it just makes me sad because this is something I was so keen to do and it's just another aspect of our society being taken over by this trans mentalism.

I have name changed for this post for obvious reasons.

OP you are right.

It's nonsense that is infiltrating our society and will probably get worse.

It makes me very angry that the terms 'woman', 'mother' etc. are becoming meaningless.

Totally with you OP. It gives me the rage.

I am a woman, I have been a pregnant woman and I have breastfed all my children. Words mean things.

Funny how a trans man could be triggered by the word breastfeeding but not by having a breast or feeding a baby from it. Or having a womb and birthing a baby FFS.

Like someone up thread said, it’s about disassociating women from their bodies so men and transwomen can appropriate them.

Well no thank you

You know it's nonsense because the male trans activists are seemingly triggered by any mention of the words women and woman used in relation to anything solely relating to female biology and yet are not triggered by prostate cancer being referred to as only something suffered by men. Because surely, by their logic, being reminded of their sex that way should trigger them just as much.

But calling them something else doesn't make them go away, nor stop men from "gazing"!

@MurielSpriggs neither does calling a biological male a "woman" make them literally a woman. But here we are.

Urghhh, just deleted a "friend" off facebook who was spouting this guff earlier and calling us women cis. I don't have time for this rubbish.

@PTPmum

I am at work so can't yet respond to each comment individually however I will in time.

Just want to say I am so RELIEVED at these comments.

Also want to chip in that the online Facebook groups for trainee supporters have very specific rules and one of them is that we cannot begin a post by writing "Hello Ladies" as not all of the group members are ladies anyone who slips up and writes this is chastised by the admin and made to edit or take down their post.

Hello ladies?

Who uses that expect 80s pub djs, men who decide to join you and your friends in the pub, and patronising men?!

There are people who aren't female being trained as BF support? Which org if you don't mind me asking.

@Whatsnewpussyhat

You know it's nonsense because the male trans activists are seemingly triggered by any mention of the words women and woman used in relation to anything solely relating to female biology and yet are not triggered by prostate cancer being referred to as only something suffered by men. Because surely, by their logic, being reminded of their sex that way should trigger them just as much.

They aren't 'triggered'.

None of this is about anything like that at all.

If mothers are the birth parent are fathers the non-birth parent?
If breast feeding is chest feeding, what do we call male chests...flat fronts?
If TWAW, then real women are real women...RWARW?
If TW use women's facilities, then we need separate female facilities as we are not the same as TW.
Where does it end?

@Enough4me if there were more facilities created for only women (no trans women) then I’m sure they’d come knocking for that too. That’s the point, they need to be in our spaces to validate themselves

@AnneLovesGilbert

It’s precisely the word breast and it’s very strong association with biological women that seems to be the issue. Though there are several obvious issues. Men can also have breast tissue and get breast cancer. Rare but it happens. Chest refers to lungs - chest infection etc - while everyone knows what a breast is. If the word breast is upsetting for a gender dysphoric woman who presents as a man, surely the act of feeding a baby milk from your breast is more so.

For my trans brother it bloody would be! He cannot fathom why any trans man would want to get pregnant, give birth and breastfeed when they are supposed to be a man. It repulses him. It’s a woman thing. He identifies as a man. He thinks chestfeeding is bollocks, you can’t feed a baby with a chest. It’s a breast.

Just thought I’d chime in with that We have a lot of ferocious and varied discussions about the trans community from FTM and MTF, and both of us have found we have very similar if not the same opinions on much of it, including the fact that a Penis Is A Weapon and does not belong in a women’s prison as a fellow inmate.

@Tinpotspectator

Birth parents is fine by me. It refers usually to parents (women) who gave birth but whose children were adopted or fostered.

Birthing parent is being used to replace mother. I took a good look around my maternity hospital and obstetricians office to make sure it’s a place I want to give birth and he’s someone I want there supporting me, as I’m a mother giving birth not a generic parent who happens to be pregnant.

Yes.

Birth mother has a use already.

Nicking terms from other situations is common with this topic. And arguments.

It's really... It's a shitty way to behave.

There are two sexes. If people want to identify as bigender or something then so what. It's the impact of gender > sex that is the problem.

You want to ban some female people from having babies? What? Why?! How? Are you talking forced sterilisation/ abortion? That's horrible.

What problem would be sorted by the ability to enable a male to bear a child?

In short. Eh?!

Are there any groups you can access that haven’t been overtaken by this stuff, or might there be new groups set up? My inclination would be to leave and explain why as until people realise how many women object, there’s no reason to consider stopping.

Might Milli Hill be someone worth approaching to try and find out? I know she’s been heartened by all the e-mails and messages she’s received. It would be a pity to waste your goodwill and experience, but personally I’m not sure I could continue in a group I felt was encouraging this direction of travel.

All of the existing groups have been captured as far as I can tell.

I too, have thought that Milli Hill might be someone willing to be involved in setting up woman centred groups, but she has been through so much for speaking out. It is a big ask of anyone.

The problem is that those of us with an interest in starting up new groups need to find each other in real life/offline to do it, and probably be geographically close enough to make it happen. We could do this on a local level. It is hard to find each other obviously because of the risks of doxxing, we can’t safely share information with strangers online. We have to find other women willing to set up local groups through real life connections. Hopefully it will be made at least a little easier as more control is gained over covid. Currently I am still cautious about having this conversation with women I know in real life, I suspect I am not the only one.

with-woman.org/2021/07/11/and-pregnant-people-nope-nope-and-all-the-nopity-nope/

Another one here on the same training group I imagine…..it’s all the time isn’t it…when I had my papers marked the comments and feedback only referred to lactating individual and lactation support groups. I’m holding on as I want to support local mothers but it upsets me so much

It’s all about dehumanising women and erasing women.

Another article and website which supports centring mothers in childbirth and breastfeeding

fullcreamweb.blog/2021/08/04/world-redacted-week/#more-1303

worldnutritionjournal.org/index.php/wn/article/view/798/670

A letter by breastfeeding counsellor Marie Beam in world nutrition journal

@DaisiesandButtercups

worldnutritionjournal.org/index.php/wn/article/view/798/670

A letter by breastfeeding counsellor Marie Beam in world nutrition journal

Thank you. I will have a read of both of these later.

@Ritasueandbobtoo9

It’s all about dehumanising women and erasing women.

It pains me to say it but I agree with this I really do

Another letter in world nutrition journal

“The human rights imperative to understand ‘mother’ as an exclusively female status”

worldnutritionjournal.org/index.php/wn/article/view/801

And another

yolandaforster.substack.com/p/othering-mothers

We are not alone.