I Robin Ince doing that thing..

[Notagain20]

... where male celebrities pronounce on the transgender issue on twitter then only reply to men? No matter how obscure the man, ignoring well informed or high profile women?

Is

Yet another science/atheist type who's taken the 30 pieces of silver to shill for woo woo.

I'm not bitter, honest

Robin's 'scepticism' has turned out to be little more than posturing. When it comes to it he's as averse to challenging his own beliefs as any of the homeopaths or superstitious people he used to scoff at. He likes to tweet some silly opinion based on a strawman of whoever he's decided the Baddies are, and when anyone points out that he is indeed using a strawman, he deletes the tweet and then whines about how people are mean to him. At one point I really did think that there was a point engaging with him, but I've seen him go through the same cycle too many times.

It's amazing how many men support the idea of males identifying their way into women and girls spaces...

Urgh, I was at uni with Robin Ince. I see he's still a twat.

Did anyone ever see Ince as other than a deceitful weasel?

I used to listen to his and Josie Long’s podcast. It was uncomfortable how he spoke with the male guests in comparison to how he spoke to Josie (ie he spoke over her and spoke for her but let the men talk.)

He likes to tweet some silly opinion based on a strawman of whoever he's decided the Baddies are, and when anyone points out that he is indeed using a strawman, he deletes the tweet and then whines about how people are mean to him.

It's as if Twitter has created whole new commonly-occurring personality types. So strange.

NecessaryScene Fair point

He does that science show with Brian Cox, doesn't he? Does anyone know Cox's view? (His wife, Gia Milinovic, is gender-critical.)

Luckily minor celebrity comedians on Twitter don't make policy. We don't need his support. He is an intelligent man with facts at his disposal and has declined to support women's rights. He can do one.

We're better off trying to get more MPs and Lords to understand the risks to women. When Robert Winston talked about the importance of mothers and how we should be supporting them it made me tearful. He has had such an impact on so many women. Robin Ince, not so much

Who the hell is Robin Ince? never heard of him

Robin Incel I call him. He spoiled No Such Thing As A Fish last week with his snarky voice.

I think we should be naming male privilege whenever a man tells us this is nothing to worry about. Every single time, every single man.

@cosmopolitanplease

Robin Incel I call him. He spoiled No Such Thing As A Fish last week with his snarky voice.

Nice

@RoyalCorgi

He does that science show with Brian Cox, doesn't he? Does anyone know Cox's view? (His wife, Gia Milinovic, is gender-critical.)

Infinite Monkey Cage. As far as I have seen BC has studiously ignored the subject- presumably because he mostly works for the BBC. GM is great (she makes me like BC 😆)

@Notagain20

I think we should be naming male privilege whenever a man tells us this is nothing to worry about. Every single time, every single man.

I agree.

When men do this, it is an abuse of their privilege. Either because they don't listen to women or they do listen but they don't care. I am done with misogyny being the acceptable form of oppression.

Re Brian Cox I think he has done good things for freedom of speech at Manchester Uni but I can't remember what. I can't imagine Gia Milinovich sticking with him if he was a misogynist arse, or is it only me for whom it would have been a relationship deal breaker?!

Ince said 'it's just like homophobia in the 80s and section 28'. Gia milinovic replied directly to him saying its not, listing the campaigning she did on gay rights and asking what did you do? I assume they know each other personally at least a bit. He hasn't replied to her publicly.

He's doing that 'I just don't understand what's going on' thing, but has clearly chosen not to consider any if the explanations given to him the previous times, or he would understand, even if he doesn't agree. What a knob.

@dyslek

Who the hell is Robin Ince? never heard of him

Somebody with a popular following and some BBC programmes: Sony Gold Award winning Infinite Monkey Cage with Brian Cox for starters. Several other programmes that are well-regarded and influential for their reach.

I appreciate that some people might not have heard of some of these commenters: I know that that doesn't mean that others underestimate their reach and influence.

@Notagain20

... where male celebrities pronounce on the transgender issue on twitter then only reply to men? No matter how obscure the man, ignoring well informed or high profile women?

He actually had quite a long twitter chat with me a few weeks ago - basically saying all his feminist friends tell him there are no problems and I was blowing it all up out of proportion.

I was just about to say to him, didn't you ask jk Rowling when she came on museum of curiosity when I realised I had confused him with John Lloyd.

I wonder how many of his feminist friends have any background or responsibility for safeguarding children and vulnerable adults?

I wonder how many of his feminist friends are women.

Interesting to note, of course, Robin Ince's attitude here. He is taking the (then) prevailing understanding of someone being a transsexual rather than the contemporary one in which the former bully should be expected to recognise Ince as a trans person in the absence of extensive surgery.

(The nearest I can think of involves a joke about me having sex with someone who bullied me at school after having extensive plastic surgery and a sex change, but the sex in that is consensual if unnerving for the fictional bully once I reveal my identity)

robinince.wordpress.com/2012/09/23/a-joke-is-just-a-joke-apart-from-that-one-about-me-now-thats-offensive/

I should think Ince would probably perceive himself as arguing that concerns about safe spaces, safeguarding etc. are misunderstandings at best, moral panic or bigotry at worst.

It would be good for Ince to answer the Staniland question and to state whether he is minded to expect any changes at all for someone to acquire trans status rather than an assertion or change in pronoun.