I Robin Ince doing that thing..

[Notagain20]

... where male celebrities pronounce on the transgender issue on twitter then only reply to men? No matter how obscure the man, ignoring well informed or high profile women?

I think specifically when I spoke to him it was about prisons. He said that all his feminist friends had told him there was nothing to worry about. I asked him if he knew Linda Belos or Anne ryzlo?

It would be good for Ince to answer the Staniland question and to state whether he is minded to expect any changes at all for someone to acquire trans status rather than an assertion or change in pronoun.

He's as familiar with Eddie izzard's transformation from transvestite to woman just by saying so, as anyone. He's not just talking about men with their penises removed. He'll have izzard in mind when he shakes his head a women excluding males from changing rooms.

where male celebrities pronounce on the transgender issue on twitter then only reply to men?

This is an aspect of toxic masculinity that I was oblivious to until I got involved with Twitter. Their ability to filter out women's voices and only hone in on male respondents is something marellous to behold.

@rabbitwoman, do you happen to have a unisex tritter handle?

Coyoacan

I am on twitter under my own name with a photo of me so no ambiguity. Am also GC AF and work in a school.

I am never abusive and keep all my tweets evidence based, though. No trouble yet - oh, except three of my oldest dearest mates have disowned me....

Ughh, I saw Robin Ince live recently and although some of his set was very funny, he was rude about Glinner and people who "don't understand non-binary" and "get upset about pronouns." At that point I stopped laughing. He slagged Glinner off for being an old white man, which was ironic!

@Heidi1982

Ughh, I saw Robin Ince live recently and although some of his set was very funny, he was rude about Glinner and people who "don't understand non-binary" and "get upset about pronouns." At that point I stopped laughing. He slagged Glinner off for being an old white man, which was ironic!

See this is horrible. I really don't want to "cancel" people who I enjoy who happen to disagree with me. But then you get well known people just be publicly nasty, in this case about a specific person too, and they become actively complicit in the attack on women's rights. So I now don't especially want to listen to Infinite Monkey Cage so much.

I like Robin Ince so I'm sorry to see him wade into the fray at this point in this way. He has sat on the fence for a long time and refused to engage with Glinner over the years (although to be fair Glinner's approach is not always conducive I don't think).

On one hand Ince has Brian Cox and Gia Milanovic (fairly sure Cox has at least hinted at a sensible stance on this issue in the past), on the other Josie Long and Grace Petrie, who he collaborates with extensively. (I've unfollowed both of them as a result of this issue but again think Glinner went too far calling out the latter at times).

Guess he has finally nailed his colours to the mast, but for a man who's made his name off science and scepticism, it's a real shame. And to hear he's bollocking on about Glinner and non-binary identities in his shows now sad, I've seen him many times over the years but will probably be leaving him to it now.

Me too, this has opened my eyes. Sigh. It is really difficult to know who you can trust to support women these days.

Gave Glinner a bit of a hard time in my last post, when he was on Twitter I used to totally get why people kept their head down when he targeted them with tricky questions. I'd have pretended not to see too, it was often very uncomfortable.

So much has changed in the landscape since then. I see now to ignore it is to be complicit.

So I now don't especially want to listen to Infinite Monkey Cage so much

yep, I get this. it's not for me, is it? Robin thinks I'm a pearl clutching daftie. It just makes me not want to spend my down time with him

@Heidi1982

Ughh, I saw Robin Ince live recently and although some of his set was very funny, he was rude about Glinner and people who "don't understand non-binary" and "get upset about pronouns." At that point I stopped laughing. He slagged Glinner off for being an old white man, which was ironic!

What? The obvious aside, surely they're roughly the same age?

Ughh indeed!

I don’t know how you can claim to be intelligent and a sceptic and talk about science and be known for being good at those things and also say non-binary makes sense.

It’s so infuriating. When you start Cherry picking what science is ‘real’ or what facts are allowable, you get all of us into this mess with anti vaxers, climate change deniers, creationism etc. He’s cracking the door.

What sort of failure of a feminist would say it’s ok for women to be locked up in a prison with ANY male with an ‘identity’?

Just a posh bloke who has no skin in th3 game

Never heard of him

Who cares what he thinks

Never going to affect him or his family

@Notagain20

... where male celebrities pronounce on the transgender issue on twitter then only reply to men? No matter how obscure the man, ignoring well informed or high profile women?

Suzanne Moore has done a write up on this.

suzannemoore.substack.com/p/men-who-just-cannot-hear-women-ince?r=cldek&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=twitter

That's absolutely wonderful from Suzanne. Nail on head.

Roomba and Operation you are spot on too.

Reading some of the tweets on that and esp the men saying TWAW etc really brought it home that when men say TWAW what they mean is tw are not men. And that explains a lot.

Ince is only celebrity status Z because he was pals with Gervais, was always his stand up warm up guy and has appeared in lots of his stand up DVDs.

You never hear with of them talk about each other now. Gervais is squarely GC as we know. Wonder how that sits with Ince's misogynist woke politics.

I have never heard of this ince fella before.

From Suzanne's piece:

I am well used to the fox botherers and the Corbynited Right Side of History mob and the smooth Greek motorcyclist telling the women of Afghanistan to “Hang in there sisters”.

Who is the "smooth Greek motorcyclist"?

I assumed she might have meant Yannis Varoufakis, but not aware of the context tbh.

I find him annoying. He’s always struck me as someone who has risen in his profession on the coat tails of other funnier, cleverer people.

Glinner is 53 , @InspiralCoalescenceRingdown. So he was 26 when he started on Fr.Ted. Sigh....

I'm guessing this is the Varoufakis tweet? action4equalityscotland.blogspot.com/2021/08/hang-in-there-sisters.html?m=1

@Abhannmor I googled it, according to Wikipedia, Ince is 52! I guess we can roundly ignore him now because he's an old white man?

Also, 26! I wish I could write half as good as that at any age!

He actually had quite a long twitter chat with me a few weeks ago - basically saying all his feminist friends tell him there are no problems and I was blowing it all up out of proportion.

At least in the olden days before feminism was fashionable, women who 'just wanted everyone to be equal' didn't pretend to be nasty feminists.