Edinburgh's first lesbian bar? Pull the other one, Pink News

[RadicalFern]

Much as I'd like Edinburgh lesbians to have their own space, taking a look at the founder I'm not sure that this space is going to be it.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/08/21/edinburgh-lesbian-bar/?fbclid=IwAR1PLB8y7j81b4DtgcWmfXUCF8ErUuyfFy0_r-_l-BWT1vqcKxIiw-HrgfU

They have actually written it as if dropping out of university is in itself an amazing achievement.

"And while the bar is still in the early planning stages, the big hurdle for Emily was getting past the fear of quitting university – which they’ve now done. The next stage is raising the funds, probably through crowdfunding campaigns."

Unfortunately...

"Emily readily admits that she’s not a money person – “I’m no expert on finance,” she says"

I am absolutely gutted that I have been banned from this non-existent bar

This is one of the single most bizarre stories I've come across, tbh. Guidelines preclude from a simple precis that would make it as plain as it is, but essentially a person who is of the sex class that typically produces small gametes, and apparently has a heterosexual orientation, has dropped out of a Masters at Uni with a fond hope to set up a lesbian bar with no funding or expertise. Apparently Emily was serious enough about the idea to post about it on the 24th of July where Emily said that Edinburgh really needs a D*ke bar and that Emily would be happy to give it a go.

I think my favourite bit is the way the bollocks pronouns shenanigans make the already incompetent writing almost illegible.

Emily has lived in Edinburgh for the past five years, having been based in Scotland since they moved from Australia aged 15. She considers herself a local, but balk at the suggestion she is “well placed” to start a lesbian bar in Edinburgh.

I mean, deciphering this, sure, I would also baulk at the suggestion Emily is well placed to start a lesbian bar in Edinburgh, for financial reasons, for skills reasons and indeed for the glaringly obvious XY reasons.

“Other people have thought about [opening a lesbian bar in Edinburgh], too,” they say. “It sounds super cheesy, but this is one of those things where the cause is bigger than me.”

Yes, we know.

@FatAnkles, I live in Edinburgh and can confirm it does accept all walks of life.

Perhaps this person is more annoyed at the lack of diversity in the Edinburgh LGBTQ+ scene as the regular bars are over crowded with straight girls and their gay best boyfriends (nothing wrong with that, it's a safe space for all).

I just find the idea of opening night, and crowd consisting completely of trans non binary “lesbians” to be hilarious. Imagine their disappointment .

Say whaaaat? I've been to a lesbian bar in Edinburgh. In 1998.

Can someone please explain what a “non-binary trans lesbian” actually presents as?

Non-binary = neither masculine nor feminine gender identity
Trans = transgendered person (m2f)
Lesbian = person of the female sex attracted sexually to other persons of the female sex.

@Tisha0 exactly. It's like a modern day riddle. I miss the days where words meant something.

‘‘Emily readily admits that she’s not a money person – “I’m no expert on finance,” she says, “I am a homosexual” – ‘

Am I reading something into this or is this person implying being gay makes you bad at finance? Wtf?

I read it as “I am a homosexual” being the one thing they felt did qualify them to open a lesbian bar (in the absence of cash, a venue or business sense) - but it’s not clear if by homosexual they mean same sex attraction (which is what homosexual means I.e. male to male attraction in this case) or trans lesbian ie mtf attracted to women.

I thought homosexual was a banned word for genderism types what with its references to sex.

Well if it goes ahead, a hope a bus load of bearded men turn up every night, identifying as lesbians, so that this idiot has to suffer by their own woke ideology.

So a bar for people born M who now self ID as F who are only sexually attracted to the same as themselves?

So not lesbian then?

@QueenPeary

I read it as “I am a homosexual” being the one thing they felt did qualify them to open a lesbian bar (in the absence of cash, a venue or business sense) - but it’s not clear if by homosexual they mean same sex attraction (which is what homosexual means I.e. male to male attraction in this case) or trans lesbian ie mtf attracted to women.

I thought homosexual was a banned word for genderism types what with its references to sex.

Me too QueenPeary.

I'm no good with money, but am homosexual' so qualified to open a gay bar.

Should go down very well with potential loaners of cash.

I do agree that there are lots of situations where the cause is bigger than the individual. Climate change, refugee support, services for vulnerable people, animal welfare etc etc.

Not sure that this is quite up there with them though.

I mean to be fair a gay bar for "trans lesbians" to meet each other is a good idea and I am not being sneery saying that. The dating pool for them should include only those who consider them women, so that's themselves and any female lesbians who believe TWAW and want to date them (of which there are some, I know one). They could head to that bar and then homosexual lesbians who aren't interested could have their own spaces.

I'm not naive enough to think they would be left alone, but I'd support the setting up of a bar for translesbians to meet each other, which makes total sense. TLs see themselves as women, and they are attracted to women, so dating each other is the obvious solution.

Of course it's totally unclear what this prospective bar owner intends so you can't tell.

@QueenPeary

I mean to be fair a gay bar for "trans lesbians" to meet each other is a good idea and I am not being sneery saying that. The dating pool for them should include only those who consider them women, so that's themselves and any female lesbians who believe TWAW and want to date them (of which there are some, I know one). They could head to that bar and then homosexual lesbians who aren't interested could have their own spaces.

I'm not naive enough to think they would be left alone, but I'd support the setting up of a bar for translesbians to meet each other, which makes total sense. TLs see themselves as women, and they are attracted to women, so dating each other is the obvious solution.

Of course it's totally unclear what this prospective bar owner intends so you can't tell.

I agree, and whoever goes, goes. Anyone who doesn't like the idea, or who the owner rules inadmissible, won't. Whether that leaves a viable business will be an interesting experiment. (Ignoring the fact that it won't happen because an "outpouring of love" won't open a bar, it needs an outpouring of money.)

But the switching back and forth of pronouns in that article does my head in!

And as for this
Can someone please explain what a “non-binary trans lesbian” actually presents as?

Non-binary = neither masculine nor feminine gender identity
Trans = transgendered person (m2f)
Lesbian = person of the female sex attracted sexually to other persons of the female sex.

It just seems like you pick a selection of words and labels that looks good on twitter to prove just how "out-there" you are, deconstructing gender norms, challenging the heteronormative hegemony, shocking your granny. What any of them actually means and whether they are consistent with each other is entirely irrelevant!

The main thing that boggles my mind about this is the idea that ‘person is thinking about opening a bar but doesn’t have a clear plan’ is newsworthy.
Pink News must be really bad at finding actual stories. Maybe someone has advised them they have to stop running endless hate pieces about JKR and it has left them with a hole.

I am a homosexual

For the sake of clarity, I’m a non-binary trans lesbian

My head spins trying to work that out.

I wonder, should the bar ever actually open, how many people will go and be disappointed, upset that, despite what they thought it was going to be, it really isn't for them?

Words - they have meaning for a bloody reason!

If only the single biggest hurdle for starting a successful business was to first have to dig deep and summon the courage and moral fibre to drop out of uni.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

I am a homosexual

For the sake of clarity, I’m a non-binary trans lesbian

My head spins trying to work that out.

I wonder, should the bar ever actually open, how many people will go and be disappointed, upset that, despite what they thought it was going to be, it really isn't for them?

Words - they have meaning for a bloody reason!

I'd be curious if anyone at all can come up with a definition for these three words/phrases, even if you don't agree with the definition, which means one person can align with all of them.

I think I can get two out of three to work, but there's always one that won't fit.

They should just add the words genderqueer and femme to those three words just to make it absolutely clear as mud.

I know Muriel

It's a bit like the "who is lying" logic test, but without the logic

I live in Edinburgh and I’m a lesbian, as far as I’m aware exclusively lesbian bars have tried and failed before as the demand wasn’t there. Lesbians tend to go to planet bar from what I’ve seen, ccs get a lot of straight people and habana feminine type men. I’ve never been to the Regent before, website says it’s LGBTQ and straight friendly

The main thing that boggles my mind about this is the idea that ‘person is thinking about opening a bar but doesn’t have a clear plan’ is newsworthy.

There are quite a lot of articles like this that suggest a trans person doing anything at all is newsworthy and praiseworthy - on BBC news too though it has calmed down a bit.

There are quite a lot of articles like this that suggest a trans person doing anything at all is newsworthy and praiseworthy

Or even contemplating doing something! Did the word "brave" crop up? I can't bear to decipher the mangled pronouns again to check

Next Pink News item:

Jess Gumby, 37, who is a non-binary fraysexual has been talking to friends about starting a speed-dating business, because as a fraysexual, the traditional method of getting to know someone in a relaxed social setting is exclusionary, as zie isn't sexually attracted to people once zie gets to know them.

Jess has mentioned on Twitter that zie intends to cut down zers hours as a Domino's delivery driver to concentrate on asking local cafes if they would let her use their premises for zer's venture.

"I saw a bit of speed dating in a movie once, and it looks like a piece of piss. I've had people tell me I'm a bit of a trail-blazer, but honestly, it's all bigger than just me," zie said.

When asked if Jess was actually the next Dalai Lama, zie replied "No. But the pizza deliveries have shown that I'm great at interacting with lots of people briefly without it making much of a connection."