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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Robert Webb - Strictly

120 replies

GrimDamnFanjo · 07/08/2021 02:01

Really looking forward to Robert Webb on Strictly.
Unfortunately TRAs are already frothing and apparently writing to the bbc,

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NeedToKnow101 · 08/08/2021 18:04

@cariadlet

I just checked Audible and found out that How Not to be a Boy (full, unabridged, read by RW) is included free in my membership! Downloading it now.
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Nachthex · 08/08/2021 18:09

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McPancreas · 08/08/2021 18:16

'Gender Conservative' is a new one, always interesting to hear the latest TRA attack line.

Incoherent but so is the whole movement so hardly surprising.

PandorasMailbox · 08/08/2021 19:53

Nothing interesting happening in the Times Comments today then @DisgustedofManchester ?

TheMarzipanDildo · 08/08/2021 19:53

Lol @ gender conservative. He really is the opposite of that.

Lordamighty · 08/08/2021 20:14

I wasn’t going to watch SCD this year but I like Robert Webb & will definitely vote for him, especially now I know it’s going to hack off the misogynists.

StrangeLookingParasite · 09/08/2021 02:14

Gender conservative

A reliably ridiculous comment from Disgusted, there.

DickKerrLadies · 09/08/2021 06:44

suspected Gender Conservative

Is that the new code for thought criminal? Gotta keep that thoughtcrime under check.

EishetChayil · 09/08/2021 09:08

Gender conservative?

Sometimes I think that the majority of people on the other side of this debate have almost zero ability to read, process, and digest information. How else would they consistently get the most basic things so twisted?

Webb writes a book in which he challenges gender roles. Therefore he is apparently a gender conservative.

JK Rowling makes a statement saying everyone should be free to wear what they like and date anyone who will have them. Therefore she is apparently a bigot who is guilty of hate crimes and forcing a generation of young people to kill themselves.

Really??

Eyesofdisarray · 09/08/2021 10:25

Haven't seen the flash dance video before: thanks!
What a mover 🤩

Jorrris · 09/08/2021 11:04

The flash dance video is great.

And that interview is appalling.

Although Webb still had control of that and it was the interviewer that ended up looking like a total twat. Embarrassing. All these angry activists looking for their next victim to cancel. Because safeguarding stands in the way of their freedoms. They look ridiculous. And the world can see it.

Jorrris · 09/08/2021 11:06

Sometimes I think that the majority of people on the other side of this debate have almost zero ability to read, process, and digest information. How else would they consistently get the most basic things so twisted?

Yep. Make me wonder what's gone on with education. They can read. But not understand what's actually written on the page.

Datun · 09/08/2021 11:21

I think many of them do understand. It's just that the concept of criticising gender makes so much sense and once one grasps the implications, exposes sexism to people who hadn't even realised it was there. Therefore it has to be discredited, or misrepresented.

So gender criticism becomes gender conservatism. Deliberately misleading and trying to shoehorn in the usual 'omg you're right wing' nonsense.

It's more of the same risible jibber jabber being fondly imagined as an argument.

FOJN · 09/08/2021 11:44

This is the level of misunderstanding that our woke-scolding visitors have?

It's not misunderstanding though, is it? It's wilful misrepresentation to discredit the legitimacy of concerns raised about gender ideology. Why?

Because safeguarding stands in the way of their freedoms.

cariadlet · 09/08/2021 12:19

I'm really torn now. I think Robert Webb is brilliant but Sara Davis has been announced as the 6th celebrity and I think she's great too.

Horehound · 09/08/2021 12:20

I really like him
Was pleased to hear he's Gona be on the show :)

Horehound · 09/08/2021 12:28

Haha that flashdance video! Fun

lalalalalafeelingroovy · 09/08/2021 12:38

@Datun

I think many of them do understand. It's just that the concept of criticising gender makes so much sense and once one grasps the implications, exposes sexism to people who hadn't even realised it was there. Therefore it has to be discredited, or misrepresented.

So gender criticism becomes gender conservatism. Deliberately misleading and trying to shoehorn in the usual 'omg you're right wing' nonsense.

It's more of the same risible jibber jabber being fondly imagined as an argument.

The thing is though, it's really starting to hit a point where the utter ludicrousness of it can't help but to peak all but the most deeply indoctrinated. I used to be all in on it, I accepted TWAW out of kindness. I definitely had some uneasiness about TW is women's sport but it wasn't something I ever really thought too much about. The first time I think I felt 'peaked' was when I was reading the feminist nerd website, The Marysue. I used to read it regularly as I'm a nerd and a feminist. JKR had been quite admired on it, then all of a sudden a lot of posters in the comments section started viewing her as problematic. This was about 5 years ago. Her crime was to have followed a self-hating transwomen on twitter. As a result, she had "lost ownership" of the Potterverse. It was honestly the most stupid thing I'd ever fucking read in my life.

It was there that I stopped reading so many woke articles as uncritically as I had done previously. I would still have argued that trans-women were women and should be treated as such. I still thought that transitioning children pre-puberty was something that was only done following careful consideration.

When a friend criticised the alphabet soup of LGBTQQIIAA-whatever, I was utterly shocked at his homophobia and figured it came from a place of his straight white male privilege. Even though a little voice inside of me actually thought some of it might be a little silly and attention seeking. And doing a disservice to gay and trans people by diluting the struggles they could still face. Shortly after, I had the opposite experience of discussing the 2018 London pride with someone who said that as a 'straight, cis-white man' he had no right to an opinion. I said that I respected that but that having read up on it, I could kind of see where the lesbians might be coming from. And I spent the next 20 minutes being shouted at about all the ways I was wrong and the lesbians were wrong. So it turned out that Mr-Straight-Cis-White-Man did have an opinion and it was that women were making a fuss out of nothing.

So eventually, that little voice won over. Because no matter how much I wanted to be woke, and considered myself woke enough to keep on trying to be woke. The silliness and attention seeking-ness, the utter lack of critical thinking, the utter petulance and childishness that the intolerance was cloaked in, became too obvious to ignore. I was genuinely into wokeness. I wore SJW as a badge of honour. I was a trans-ally. But eventually it all just got too stupid. One stupid thing made me start looking at it all uncritically. And once that happened, it could only go one way.

And I get that the majority of people don't care. They aren't reading up on this day, in day out because they are activists and allies. They are just getting on with their lives and are generally happy for everyone else to do the same. But more and more of this pushing is making increasing amounts of people aware of it. And the more people become aware of it, the more people are looking at both sides and the ludicrousness of what is happening is almost immediately obvious to them. Any ordinary person who is aware of Robert Webb will hear him called a Gender Conservative and immediately dismiss the person calling him that as hard of thinking.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 09/08/2021 13:00

A suspected gender conservative?!?!

Oh my 😳

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Datun · 09/08/2021 15:12

Indeed lalalalalafeelingroovy it's long been noted that the best promoter of the gender critical viewpoint is a transactivist.

Datun · 09/08/2021 15:25

That flash dance video is fabulous!! He's got it all going on.

ArcheryAnnie · 09/08/2021 19:12

How Not To Be A Boy is great - my son got a copy for xmas one year, and I pinched it from him when he was done. Highly recommended.

dementedma · 09/08/2021 19:54

Slightly at a tangent but I had to send an email to 3 men today, and cc’d in a woman (who I genuinely like and admire).
I work in a very formal setting - military - where emails often begin with “sir” or “ma’am”

i opened this one with “gentlemen” which I thought was polite. The woman has gently corrected me and suggested we should be moving away from gender specific language! I’m not sure how to reply!

SelfPortraitWithEels · 09/08/2021 19:57

"Ladies" next time, and alternate from then on...? Grin

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